You mean Wanderers are the same as the scum? ;)

my favorite english musical city is sheffield. i lived near there for a few years. i knew joe ****er came from sheffield. other artists such as def leppard, pulp, human league, thomp twins, heaven 17, abc and my favorite muso chris rea come from the area. newer artists like gomez, littleman tate and artic monkeys and a host of new wave bands area making music. the thing is sheffield, manchester and liverpool are relatively close as apposed to london which is always the magnet for the best music. the northern cities to me are more working class and done it tough so the style and rawness is reflected in their music. the fact is england and the rest of britain have put out great music. dublin would have produced a fair few.

Another argument (sort of) for Manchester; it was the location of two of the most important concerts in rock history.

1966; Bob Dylan & The Hawks; the so-called Royal Albert Hall concert actually occurred in Manchester. The "Judas!" remark immortalized the show.

1976; The Sex Pistols play a gig at the Lesser Free Trade Hall. The show inspires the immediate formation of Buzzco****s and Joy Division, and also inspires Mark E. Smith and Steven Morrissey. I've heard people argue that it was the most important gig of the era, and it's pretty hard to argue with that.

The Fall were already together by the time that gig happened , they just didn't have a drummer.

Smith thought the Pistols were rubbish and that his band were better.

Mick Hucknall was there too and went on to form The Frantic Elevators, before selling out to form Simply Red.
An act that Tony Wilson never forgave him for.

Of course he was right, but then again, every Mancunian at the gig would have thought the same thing...it goes with the territory. ;)

I think how much that gig influenced Morrissey has been way overstated and exaggerated. He was already president of the New York Dolls fanclub and had a big interest in punk rock. I think as a singer all it really did was give him a few backing bands (The Nosebleeds, Slaughter & The Dogs) until Marr came along.

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