The Definitve List: Most Overrated Bands\Artists ever (rap, albums)

Son of JayJamJah · 06-29-2008, 07:22 PM

Okay; so of course the title is a joke, there is no such thing as a definitive list on any subjective opinion based topic, still this is at the least the most music-banter influenced and among the most well researched compilations on the topic. In addition to scanning the 170 page MB thread and reviewing the results of a Google search, I asked, via email, the 10 people I know whose musical opinions I value most to send me their personal Top Tens.

With this thread I will first unveil the list and expose it to scrutiny from the merciless and knowledgeable collective conscious of the site to see how much or how little it resonates with y'all.

Following this i will periodically make an individual case against all the these artists based on their commercial success and the type of esteem and regard they are held in by today's music critics and creators. I will essentially try to tell you why they suck, well as least more then they are considered to.

This list will not include Led Zeppelin or The Beatles the two, in my opinion, greatest acts ever, despite the fact that they are both often considered highly overrated by their detractors. However I dismiss them as candidates based on the fact that I feel you can't be overrated if your the greatest ever and as I mentioned I believe they are the only two you can make a case for to wear that crown.

It also will not include bands like Neutral Milk Hotel, Joy Division or Sonic Youth to cite a few common ones here. Even though their most ardent fans could be accused of overrating them just as ZepHeads or Beatlemaniacs could, on the whole they are largely overlooked by the average music fan and thus can't be overrated to the extent nessacary to make this end all\be all list.

This list is a top 20, if it were one notch longer, it would have included Van Halen and I would have argued that never has a collection of such talented musicians written such lousy music ever before or since. And so it starts instead with number 20, right now, with one of my most personally painful and sure to be controversial selections and just gets better from there, without further adieu...

20. Radiohead - Please mark death threat emails Attn: JayJamJah so as not to frighten my children.

19. The Grateful Dead - "What'd mean it's only good if your high?"

18. Snoop Dogg - He has 1 1/2 decent albums and yet seems to have more disposable income and street cred then Richard Branson.

17. Coldplay - How are they even considered good enough to be overrated?

16. The Doors - Turns out were not all poets are we Jim?

15. The Eagles - Together we can annoy millions, but if we split up we can annoy billions.

14. Garth Brooks - That whole Chris Gaines things made me have to hide my "No Fences" CD. Chris Gaines, really, Chris Gaines?

13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - Whatever, the music sucked.

12. Eminem - Why do good things happen to bad people

11. Kanye West - I'm sure he's upset he's not the winner.

10. The Rolling Stones - They have no right being included in the same sentence as the Beatles, Zeppelin and the Who, combined they never produced half the crap music the Stones have.

9. Nirvana - Not a PC thing to say, but if Cobain doesn't pull the plug they are remembered like Alice in Chains or Soundgarden at best.

8. 2 PAC - Similar to Nirvana, made legendary by the early demise. Not a great emcee nor does he have the track record of many lesser regarded acts.

7. Kiss - Name one person you know who still likes them.

6. Dave Matthews Band - They might have the worst fans ever.

5. White Stripes - If I can create the riffs your best known for on a Casio, I really don't need to hear how great your discography is.

4. Prince - It's so hard to tell when Prince recorded his music, it doesn't sounded dated at all.

3. Bruce Springsteen - I don't care what you say I've meet anyone who liked The Boss that wasn't borderline retarded or an @$$hole. This guy sucks.

2. U2 - They should be number one, I don't know one person who doesn't loathe them yet they are one of the biggest acts in the world. They top 75% of the online lists, they are constantly mentioned here as over rated. I only keep them at number two because of an incredible argument I heard against my actual title winner,

#1!!!!!!!!! Mariah Carey - Just wait until you see the case against.

Alfred · 06-29-2008, 07:35 PM

I like U2.

ProggyMan · 06-29-2008, 07:45 PM

I disagree with:
Radiohead, are they really overrated or do you just not like them?
2Pac-You niggas made a mistake
you shoulda never put my rhymes with Dre
them Thug niggas have arrived and it's Judgement Day
Hey Homie if ya feel me
Tell them tricks that shot me
that they missed
they ain't killed me
I can make a mutha****er shake
rattle and roll
i'm full of liquor
thug nigga
quick to jab at them ho's
and I can make ya jelous niggas famous
**** around with 2Pac and see how good a niggas aim is
i'm just a rich mutha****er from tha way
If this rappin' bring me money
then i'm rappin' till i'm paid
i'm getten green like i'm supposed to
Nigga, I holla at these ho's
and see how many I can go through
Look to the star
and visualize my debut
niggas know me, playa
I gotta stay true
don't be a dumb mutha****er
because it's crazy after dark
where the true Thug niggas see ya heart
Niggas Can't C Me....
Sure he's not a great MC technically, but he's got an incredible delivery, and all Eyes On Me stands as a landmark of everything Gangsta rap is and was. You could make a case for him being overrated, but really? That much?

sleepy jack · 06-29-2008, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I disagree with:
Radiohead, are they really overrated or do you just not like them?
2Pac-You niggas made a mistake
you shoulda never put my rhymes with Dre
them Thug niggas have arrived and it's Judgement Day
Hey Homie if ya feel me
Tell them tricks that shot me
that they missed
they ain't killed me
I can make a mutha****er shake
rattle and roll
i'm full of liquor
thug nigga
quick to jab at them ho's
and I can make ya jelous niggas famous
**** around with 2Pac and see how good a niggas aim is
i'm just a rich mutha****er from tha way
If this rappin' bring me money
then i'm rappin' till i'm paid
i'm getten green like i'm supposed to
Nigga, I holla at these ho's
and see how many I can go through
Look to the star
and visualize my debut
niggas know me, playa
I gotta stay true
don't be a dumb mutha****er
because it's crazy after dark
where the true Thug niggas see ya heart
Niggas Can't C Me....
Sure he's not a great MC technically, but he's got an incredible delivery, and all Eyes On Me stands as a landmark of everything Gangsta rap is and was. You could make a case for him being overrated, but really? That much?

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

~~Farfisa~~ · 06-29-2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Ethan has the last laugh!!!

sweet_nothing · 06-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships

Ethan gets the last laugh!!!

Whos Ethan? That name sounds familair

ProggyMan · 06-29-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Well you certainly showed me...

sweet_nothing · 06-29-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Well you certainly showed me...

no i think this showed you

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

All these bands are overrated but I feel I should argue some of these even if they're obviously tongue in cheek. Some of these statements are shockingly ignorant.

I don't really feel the Doors are overrated. I think Jim Morrison is overrated, he wasn't even a good lyricist yet he's called 'An American Poet' or whatever the nick name is. I mean Krieger was an excellent guitarist who is hardly ever discussed and Manzarek could be the most underrated keyboardist ever. Musically they were extremely cohesive and solid yet all anyone cares about is the Lizard King which is bullshit seeing as Jim wasn't that great and he was a disgusting human being.

I don't think John Lennon's music post-beatles sucked, Imagine is iconic and Jealous Guy, Grow Old With Me, songs like those have a raw and simplistic beauty to them that the Beatles rarely touched. I mean sure you had alot of Woman is the ****** of the World dated political songs that didn't age well but all the Beatles were guilty of forgettable tracks during their solo career.

The Rolling Stones released a handful of great albums and were an extremely important band who deserve to be included in the same sentence as the Beatles, The Who and Led Zeppelin. Just because they didn't have a timely break up doesn't mean we should ignore every good thing they did for music.

Nirvana? Are you serious? You're aware how huge they were during their prime right? It was Nirvanamania, they were the biggest band in the world. If Kurt Cobain hadn't died he probably wouldn't have been elevated to the status he was elevated to that's it. Smells Like Teen Spirit alone had so much more impact and success than Alice in Chains or Soundgarden could've ever hoped for. That statement was totally stupid.

sleepy jack · 06-29-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Well you certainly showed me...

You were saying the exact opposite like a week ago.

Double X · 06-29-2008, 08:02 PM

I agree with all except - Doors, Radiohead, and maybe Grateful Dead.

06-29-2008, 07:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	The Definitve List: Most Overrated Bands\Artists ever Okay; so of course the title is a joke, there is no such thing as a definitive list on any subjective opinion based topic, still this is at the least the most music-banter influenced and among the most well researched compilations on the topic. In addition to scanning the 170 page MB thread and reviewing the results of a Google search, I asked, via email, the 10 people I know whose musical opinions I value most to send me their personal Top Tens. With this thread I will first unveil the list and expose it to scrutiny from the merciless and knowledgeable collective conscious of the site to see how much or how little it resonates with y'all. Following this i will periodically make an individual case against all the these artists based on their commercial success and the type of esteem and regard they are held in by today's music critics and creators. I will essentially try to tell you why they suck, well as least more then they are considered to. This list will not include Led Zeppelin or The Beatles the two, in my opinion, greatest acts ever, despite the fact that they are both often considered highly overrated by their detractors. However I dismiss them as candidates based on the fact that I feel you can't be overrated if your the greatest ever and as I mentioned I believe they are the only two you can make a case for to wear that crown. It also will not include bands like Neutral Milk Hotel, Joy Division or Sonic Youth to cite a few common ones here. Even though their most ardent fans could be accused of overrating them just as ZepHeads or Beatlemaniacs could, on the whole they are largely overlooked by the average music fan and thus can't be overrated to the extent nessacary to make this end all\be all list. This list is a top 20, if it were one notch longer, it would have included Van Halen and I would have argued that never has a collection of such talented musicians written such lousy music ever before or since. And so it starts instead with number 20, right now, with one of my most personally painful and sure to be controversial selections and just gets better from there, without further adieu... 20. Radiohead - Please mark death threat emails Attn: JayJamJah so as not to frighten my children. 19. The Grateful Dead - "What'd mean it's only good if your high?" 18. Snoop Dogg - He has 1 1/2 decent albums and yet seems to have more disposable income and street cred then Richard Branson. 17. Coldplay - How are they even considered good enough to be overrated? 16. The Doors - Turns out were not all poets are we Jim? 15. The Eagles - Together we can annoy millions, but if we split up we can annoy billions. 14. Garth Brooks - That whole Chris Gaines things made me have to hide my "No Fences" CD. Chris Gaines, really, Chris Gaines? 13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - Whatever, the music sucked. 12. Eminem - Why do good things happen to bad people 11. Kanye West - I'm sure he's upset he's not the winner. 10. The Rolling Stones - They have no right being included in the same sentence as the Beatles, Zeppelin and the Who, combined they never produced half the crap music the Stones have. 9. Nirvana - Not a PC thing to say, but if Cobain doesn't pull the plug they are remembered like Alice in Chains or Soundgarden at best. 8. 2 PAC - Similar to Nirvana, made legendary by the early demise. Not a great emcee nor does he have the track record of many lesser regarded acts. 7. Kiss - Name one person you know who still likes them. 6. Dave Matthews Band - They might have the worst fans ever. 5. White Stripes - If I can create the riffs your best known for on a Casio, I really don't need to hear how great your discography is. 4. Prince - It's so hard to tell when Prince recorded his music, it doesn't sounded dated at all. 3. Bruce Springsteen - I don't care what you say I've meet anyone who liked The Boss that wasn't borderline retarded or an @$$hole. This guy sucks. 2. U2 - They should be number one, I don't know one person who doesn't loathe them yet they are one of the biggest acts in the world. They top 75% of the online lists, they are constantly mentioned here as over rated. I only keep them at number two because of an incredible argument I heard against my actual title winner, #1!!!!!!!!! Mariah Carey - Just wait until you see the case against. Last edited by Son of JayJamJah; 07-02-2008 at 08:14 AM.

06-29-2008, 07:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	I like U2. __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM

06-29-2008, 07:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	I disagree with: Radiohead, are they really overrated or do you just not like them? 2Pac-You niggas made a mistake you shoulda never put my rhymes with Dre them Thug niggas have arrived and it's Judgement Day Hey Homie if ya feel me Tell them tricks that shot me that they missed they ain't killed me I can make a mutha**er shake rattle and roll i'm full of liquor thug nigga quick to jab at them ho's and I can make ya jelous niggas famous around with 2Pac and see how good a niggas aim is i'm just a rich muthaer from tha way If this rappin' bring me money then i'm rappin' till i'm paid i'm getten green like i'm supposed to Nigga, I holla at these ho's and see how many I can go through Look to the star and visualize my debut niggas know me, playa I gotta stay true don't be a dumb mutha**er because it's crazy after dark where the true Thug niggas see ya heart Niggas Can't C Me.... Sure he's not a great MC technically, but he's got an incredible delivery, and all Eyes On Me stands as a landmark of everything Gangsta rap is and was. You could make a case for him being overrated, but really? That much?

06-29-2008, 08:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	I agree with all except - Doors, Radiohead, and maybe Grateful Dead.