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Old 06-30-2008, 02:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'll give you my thoughts of your list What's wrong with having simple riffs? How come nobody slags off Muddy Waters or Bo Diddley for the same reason?

4. Prince - Sounding timeless is a good thing as far as i'm concerned.
I will reply to this two issues quickly without discussing the bands in question as not to spoil future posts. But...I think nobody criticizes Muddy or Bo mostly because they get the innovator pass, something you can't give the Stripes, but that's more a punch line then the crux of my argument.

And I was being sarcastic about Prince his 80's stuff sounds so cheesy and dated to me, as much as I respect the diversity of your musical taste, this one blows my mind, it could be a fun debate when the time comes.
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Old 06-30-2008, 03:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I give you credit for posting such a list and I know that you will have the knowledge to back it up. Here is my two- penneth:

I find it quite ironic that you won't put Led Zeppelin in yet they are one of the most overated bands of all time, however Ithink that was a little tongue in cheek from yourself.

20. Radiohead - They are media darlings but they are still an acquired taste and I know lots of people who don't like them. There is quite a lot of their output that I don't like but overrated? Not for me.

19. The Grateful Dead - I have only heard a couple of tracks and that was'nt enough to entice me into getting an album. They are not as big over here though.

18. Snoop Dogg - Used to be a pimp. Nuff said. The guy is a stain on rap.

17. Coldplay - The new album has signs of a band changing their direction slightly which is a good sign but apart from the track 'Sparks', I have never liked their safe 'dad rock'.

16. The Doors - Solid band but Morrison gets far too much credit (agrred with Urban).

15. The Eagles - They did one ballad 'I can't tell you why' which was a good track but they are generally bland insipid radio rock.

14. Garth Brooks - Who? lol

13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - I listen to his solo music much more than McCartney's and his music has lasted well. 'Cold Turkey' and 'I'm Losing You' are excellent tracks but yeah his solo work was'nt amazing.

12. Eminem - Made one truly excellent track 'Lose Yourself' which was him letting some emotion out for a change and hinted at how good he could have been instead of all the jokey clappy happy bland crap he spewed out.

11. Kanye West - Only heard a few tracks. Thought they were awful.

10. The Rolling Stones - Not a big fan at all and they should have called it a day years ago but their early work should not be ignored.

9. Nirvana - Agreed. Right band, right time.

8. 2 PAC - I like quite a lot of his stuff but I do realise that most of it is posthumous so yeah he is overated.

7. Kiss - I think that they have made some really good tracks in their time. I like a fair bit of their 80's output-'Creatures Of The Night', 'Animalise' and 'Lick It Up' and appreciate it for what it is-toe tapping catchy rock. Have they ever been really rated though? . I thought people just seen them as entertainers.

6. Dave Matthews Band - Never heard anything by them.

5. White Stripes - Agreed but they have a big following who love their back to basics sound. Unfortunately I just find them basic.

4. Prince - 'Sign Of The Times' is the greatest pop album of the 80's bar none and all of his release are peppered with brilliance. If Prince is overated why isn't Michael Jackson on this list?

3. Bruce Springsteen - We have an image of him based upon 'Born To Run' which is not the whole package but he is a quintessential American artist who celebrates his blue collar roots. I have only just started to listen his work but there is a lot more happening in his music than I gave him credit for.

2. U2 - Yes they are overated but I like them. There I said it.

#1!!!!!!!!! Mariah Carey - Number 1? Don't know about that but all those warbling divas should become astronauts i.e shot into space. Houston, Carey,Dion-all absolutely terrible.
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Old 06-30-2008, 03:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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20. Radiohead

Most Overrated Album: OK Computer, it's great but not their best.
Most Overrated song: Paranoid Android

As I hinted at in my intro, I didn’t like putting Radiohead on my list. They pop up occasionally online as overrated but rarely is any sort of compelling case made. It’s usually something like; “they suck, get over it”, this will not do. But after having some more thoughtful discussions with some more seasoned music minds, it became painstakingly clear that Radiohead were not only over rated but actually have redefined overrated in the modern era.

The problem is beyond the control of the band. They just continue to make consistently good music with innovative marketing, production and performances. They never claim to be great nor grandiose, they just make music. However they are the victims of an MTV culture. The problem for Radiohead is that it’s cool to like Radiohead. This sounds good on the surface but as you come to realize with age, a lot of times when you don’t like people, you don’t want them to like you either.

People who have listened to Karma Police three times (twice covered by some chick with an acoustic guitar) claim to be “huge” Radiohead fans. No one dares say Radiohead made a mediocre album, **Cough** Amnesiac **Cough**. When all is said and done they may not be overrated, but as for now they are very much overrated by people who have not even given them a fair listen and that lands them at #20, plus it’s a lot more controversial then most other choices I considered for this spot.
I agree completely. I personally love Radiohead, having spent a small fortune on tickets and albums. But I understand that it's become feng shui to like Radiohead, just like it's cool to wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt and say Led Zeppelin was rad. They have achieved an over-hyped image which doesn't befit their music. They are great musicians, but some people (like my sister) who listen to Pablo Honey and enjoy it need to pull their heads out of their asses.

I still say you should have put The Beach Boys on there. I read a Rolling Stone article a couple months ago, where some dude interviewed Brian Wilson. (I think it was after his Kennedy Center nomination.) The ****sucker was comparing them to The Beatles. And all the while, I was just thinking, "No. ****ing no." Pet Sounds was good, I'll admit that. But you morons out there who put them in league with the Stones, the Who, or the Kinks need to learn that good music is beyond catchy harmonies and surfwax beats.

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I give you credit for posting such a list and I know that you will have the knowledge to back it up. Here is my two- penneth:

I find it quite ironic that you won't put Led Zeppelin in yet they are one of the most overated bands of all time, however Ithink that was a little tongue in cheek from yourself.
I won't deny that it's not true, that there are people out there who venerate Led Zeppelin beyond all other bands (myself being one of them). But it's so hard to characterize collossal bands like that as overrated when they did so many things perfectly. I'm a fan, but I don't own a t-shirt or have a tattoo of one of their symbols, and sometimes I too get pissed at those that do. But you have to understand - they were huge. This is why I find it questionable to include The Rolling Stones in the list because they were there forty years ago defining the music that spawned generations of rockers. The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd - these bands are off-limits, despite how overrated they may be by some rabid fans. They simply did too much too well.

EDIT: Ha, would you look at that. I just noticed your signature as it played through my speakers. Freaky.
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Old 06-30-2008, 05:13 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Springsteen is incredibly talented, but unfortunately, many "fans" ignore those talents in favor of a perceived "patriotic good ol' boy" image. Forget about BTR and BITUSA (though they're good albums); listen to The River, Darkness On The Edge Of Town, and The Ghost Of Tom Joad and tell me the guy's overrated.

But yeah, most of the rest of the list is spot on, especially Nirvana, Radiohead (who should be around #5) and Coldplay.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:13 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Hehe good thread! Of course i don't agree with all of them but never mind. I want to see your statement on Mariah Carey. I don't see why she's number 1, i think it's an american thing, i don't think anyone really cares about her over here.



Dunno if you're joking or not, but why not argue your case?
Kanye West to me is a brilliant person to be there, style over substance, i for one am not going to be won over by his lazy sampling and massive claims.
People who hate him tend to look to much at his public persona and not at his music. He uses great samples and makes them his own. Sampling good songs is not lazy and he makes his own raps to them. if you had ever heard his Young Folks rap maybe you would agree. He IS the greatest rapper alive and personally he is the only rapper whose albums I have been able to listen to all the way through without skipping a track (Dropout and Graduation, Late Registration had a few filler tracks.) He doesn't just try to rap fast, he even occasionally sings. In concert he will sing a lot of the lyrics he doesn't sing on the albums and the guy can totally own an entire crowd. The only reason people jump on the hate wagon now is because of Bonnaroo ( a commercial venue I would never frequent btw) and how he basically got bluefalconed by Robert Randolph (a talentless DMB wannabe) and the event coordinator (as well as Pearl Jam, the worthless of the worthless band).
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Old 07-01-2008, 04:38 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I still say you should have put The Beach Boys on there. I read a Rolling Stone article a couple months ago, where some dude interviewed Brian Wilson. (I think it was after his Kennedy Center nomination.) The ****sucker was comparing them to The Beatles. And all the while, I was just thinking, "No. ****ing no." Pet Sounds was good, I'll admit that. But you morons out there who put them in league with the Stones, the Who, or the Kinks need to learn that good music is beyond catchy harmonies and surfwax beats.
Yeah that ****sucker was also responsible for some of the Beatles best music.
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if anything Kanye is underrated.

you know garbage about music. Only person who should be on the list is DMB.

seriously, I am ashamed you have the VU banana on your avatar. You are unworthy to be a fan.
I think it's you who seem to know "garbage" about music. Kanye is overrated, a lame rapper, and a TERRIBLE rhymer. He has virtually no redeeming MC skills at all. That you seem to think otherwise is a plain indication of exactly what you accused Jay of. Sorry to be the one to break it to ya.

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20. Radiohead - Yeah but a really good band all the same

18. Snoop Dogg - He has 1 1/2 decent albums wrong, he had one decent album - but in response to my buddy Jack, so what if he was a pimp? Lots of gangsta rappers have dubious backgrounds by their own admission, why pick on Snoop's?

13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - Whatever, the music sucked. Yeah it did - why does it get any acclaim? I don't think it really did at the time, save the Plastic Ono Band album

12. Eminem - Why do good things happen to bad people great rapper, great comedian

11. Kanye West - rubbish and his fans know "garbage" about music

10. The Rolling Stones - They have no right being included in the same sentence as the Beatles, Zeppelin and the Who, combined they never produced half the crap music the Stones have. disagree, without the Stones there's no Zep or The Who

9. Nirvana - Not a PC thing to say, but if Cobain doesn't pull the plug they are remembered like Alice in Chains or Soundgarden at best. Totally disagree - Nirvana were more memorable simply for the MASSIVE singles, scene people would always look back on Nevermind and see it as the most essential record of the era whatever happened

8. 2 PAC - Not a great emcee nor does he have the track record of many lesser regarded acts. nah, he's not a good rapper - more of a poet/political activist

7. Kiss - Name one person you know who still likes them. my friend's dad

3. Bruce Springsteen - I don't care what you say I've meet anyone who liked The Boss that wasn't borderline retarded or an @$$hole. This guy sucks. his early material show the signs of one of the most talented singer songwriters to come out of 70s rock
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People who hate him tend to look to much at his public persona and not at his music. He uses great samples and makes them his own. Sampling good songs is not lazy and he makes his own raps to them. if you had ever heard his Young Folks rap maybe you would agree. He IS the greatest rapper alive and personally he is the only rapper whose albums I have been able to listen to all the way through without skipping a track (Dropout and Graduation, Late Registration had a few filler tracks.) He doesn't just try to rap fast, he even occasionally sings. In concert he will sing a lot of the lyrics he doesn't sing on the albums and the guy can totally own an entire crowd. The only reason people jump on the hate wagon now is because of Bonnaroo ( a commercial venue I would never frequent btw) and how he basically got bluefalconed by Robert Randolph (a talentless DMB wannabe) and the event coordinator (as well as Pearl Jam, the worthless of the worthless band).
My problem with his persona is that he genuinely thinks he's God's answer to hip-hop or something, and if you're going to be like that i think you should back that up with your music.
His formula is dull. What he does is take a famous sample like with Daft Punk and Curtis Mayfield that people will recognise and rap over it with the whole uplifiting lyrics spiel. Everyone knows the Move On Up tune so it sells. He's a clever businessmen but thats it.
I have to admit if i was a fan i'd probably enjoy the live shows, he seems to at least have some passion there but on record it's just not there.
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I'd put REM at the top of the list.
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I think it's you who seem to know "garbage" about music. Kanye is overrated, a lame rapper, and a TERRIBLE rhymer. He has virtually no redeeming MC skills at all. That you seem to think otherwise is a plain indication of exactly what you accused Jay of. Sorry to be the one to break it to ya.
Seconded! I'm not going to offer criticisms about Bonnaroo (seeing as how I wasn't there), but I will say this: Kanye West is possibly the most deservest to be on this list. I admire him for taking hip-hop past "I'm the best and I'm gonna talk about it for forty minutes" but more people need to understand that he is by no means a good rapper. Good beats and fantastic production don't guarantee quality of music, and it is unfortunate that he is esteemed as the best modern rapper when Lupe and Lil Wayne work so hard.
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