Selling Out (singer, pop, single, album, Courtney Love)

Brad Stengel · 09-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobe Kai

My Chemical Romance. Only the drummer hasn't sold himself to any half baked magazine who want to put the band on the cover to sell more magazines.

Fallout Boy. Their older stuff, I wasn't too fond on, but what the **** at this hippidy hop ****!?

Every Pop Singer. Self explained.

Courtney Love. She wouldn't be Courtney Love if she didn't sell out at any given opportunity. Honestly, putting out your album a week after your husband's death!? What the hell. The world's eyes are on her so she decides to put her band's album out then! And then she goes off with that terogladite from Smashing Pumpkins.

Heres where I dont agree:

Pop singers dont "sell out" since they never set out not to make money in the first place. If a singer has a certain style, and then canges it just to make more money, its selling out...but if thats their original goal (which it always is) its just "selling"

As far as I know, Courtney Loves album was coming out that week anyway, usually release dates are set up months in advance. You could argue however that she sold out due to the stylistic change from her first album, but then, it could be her going off in an independent new direction.

Chris Cornell's solo stuff sold out or Soundgarden?

FaSho · 09-23-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

chris cornell

but thats okay because its not like he was ever any good

**Janszoon** · 09-23-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ImGettinThatFaSho

but thats okay because its not like he was ever any good

Brad Stengel · 09-23-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

That first solo album he did made Soundgarden sound like the Beatles in comparison. "Sunshowers" might be the most boring song ever written.

FaSho · 09-23-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel

Selling T-Shirts at hot topic

what most of the ****s who bash bands for being sell outs may not know is that selling stuff at hot topic is just another way to get their music out there

Piss Me Off · 09-23-2008, 03:05 PM

Why the term 'selling out' fucks me off:

It's a stupid fake term. The phrase implies that the artist in question should ALWAYS stick to a set plan throughout their career. If an artist wants to change in a certain way in order to sell records (which has been happening FOREVER so i don't know why it pisses everyone off so much) then so be it, it's often resulted in some brilliant music. Imagine if Bowie didn't change to accomodate himself to each passing style? We'd be without some great albums.

I think the thing that annoys me the most about it all is that it is a term that is only ever used by obnoxious little ****heads (no offense). If you are THAT worried about how much an artist is selling and where their T-shirts are sold then you have very strange ideas about what it means to be a music fan.

There is no such thing as a pure punk mentality to making music and distributing it, whatever bands you listen to i can guarantee there will be some element of corporate bull in there. Just don't let it bother you and if you feel the need to say some music is crap then just judge the music itself.

Cobe Kai · 09-23-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel

Heres where I dont agree:

Pop singers dont "sell out" since they never set out not to make money in the first place. If a singer has a certain style, and then canges it just to make more money, its selling out...but if thats their original goal (which it always is) its just "selling"

As far as I know, Courtney Loves album was coming out that week anyway, usually release dates are set up months in advance. You could argue however that she sold out due to the stylistic change from her first album, but then, it could be her going off in an independent new direction.

Chris Cornell's solo stuff sold out or Soundgarden?

Well Courtney always seemed a bit happy for band interviews and sappy for personal ones, and she granted interviews IMMEDIATLEY afterwards.

And neither Chris nor Soundgarden sold out.

anticipation · 09-23-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel

Selling T-Shirts at hot topic

bright eyes and the smiths both sell shirts at hot topic.

Brad Stengel · 09-23-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Why the term 'selling out' fucks me off:

It's a stupid fake term. The phrase implies that the artist in question should ALWAYS stick to a set plan throughout their career. If an artist wants to change in a certain way in order to sell records (which has been happening FOREVER so i don't know why it pisses everyone off so much) then so be it, it's often resulted in some brilliant music. Imagine if Bowie didn't change to accomodate himself to each passing style? We'd be without some great albums.

I think the thing that annoys me the most about it all is that it is a term that is only ever used by obnoxious little ****heads (no offense). If you are THAT worried about how much an artist is selling and where their T-shirts are sold then you have very strange ideas about what it means to be a music fan.

There is no such thing as a pure punk mentality to making music and distributing it, whatever bands you listen to i can guarantee there will be some element of corporate bull in there. Just don't let it bother you and if you feel the need to say some music is crap then just judge the music itself.

I agree completely, although with Bowie you could argue that rather than attempting commercial success he was legitimately changing just to change. Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes.

I feel like theres a difference between embracing a more poppy sound/genre hopping and clearly attempting to gain fans at the expense of musical quality. It shouldnt bother me, because I can just choose not to listen to those albums, but its still sad to see a band decline no matter what reason.

Id like to also add that I dont feel like any band I listen to ever "sold out", so that last sentence is purely hypothetical.

Brad Stengel · 09-23-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

bright eyes and the smiths both sell shirts at hot topic.

If you read the post I was stating things that I feel are not selling out.

And as a side note, I fucking despise Bright Eyes.

09-23-2008, 03:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	Why the term 'selling out' fucks me off: It's a stupid fake term. The phrase implies that the artist in question should ALWAYS stick to a set plan throughout their career. If an artist wants to change in a certain way in order to sell records (which has been happening FOREVER so i don't know why it pisses everyone off so much) then so be it, it's often resulted in some brilliant music. Imagine if Bowie didn't change to accomodate himself to each passing style? We'd be without some great albums. I think the thing that annoys me the most about it all is that it is a term that is only ever used by obnoxious little ****heads (no offense). If you are THAT worried about how much an artist is selling and where their T-shirts are sold then you have very strange ideas about what it means to be a music fan. There is no such thing as a pure punk mentality to making music and distributing it, whatever bands you listen to i can guarantee there will be some element of corporate bull in there. Just don't let it bother you and if you feel the need to say some music is crap then just judge the music itself. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape