Whiny little punk bands today (albums, magazine, Grammys, show)

tiaw · 12-03-2004, 04:44 PM

bands like those mentioned above are just like any other in any other genre. record companies see a new trend they can develop and push different bands into that gap.. so that they can make money. it's all about target audience. boy bands are gonna sell albums to 11 year old girls, punk bands are gonna sell albums to frustrated teenagers. popular music is not real music. it's just whatever is likely to sell the most copies and therefore make the most money. genuinly good bands rarely break through.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 12-13-2004, 07:13 AM

does anyone here remember when "punk" meant the clash, sexpistols, greenday, and the offspring?

Oi_To_The_World · 12-14-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaw

bands like those mentioned above are just like any other in any other genre. record companies see a new trend they can develop and push different bands into that gap.. so that they can make money. it's all about target audience. boy bands are gonna sell albums to 11 year old girls, punk bands are gonna sell albums to frustrated teenagers. popular music is not real music. it's just whatever is likely to sell the most copies and therefore make the most money. genuinly good bands rarely break through.

i beg to differ. buttloads of good bands have been able to break through (i certainly would not say bands like tool or NIN or nirvana for example are not "real music"). i dont see why people have to hate something just because it is popular/mainstream. with your logic, we can classify each genre of music with a stereotypical "core" audience. and what new trends are the companies exploiting? if that were true, wouldnt everything be rap-metal, god forbid. pop and punk (the ones you mention) are obviously not new trends, there hasnt been any new trends within those genres either.

sleepy jack · 12-14-2004, 10:55 PM

Heck i just listen to what sounds good.Not what fits people that are my age.

ish · 12-15-2004, 12:52 AM

Sometimes u r forced to listen to **** that u dont want to hear like im not a big fan of greenday or simple plan but because all of my mates who think they r punk but r wannabe's r in love with these bands then i have to listen to their **** about how much they ****ing rock, i mean they could atleast have a fair bit of decency to not blab on about it. cmon i know exactly how many days till the greenday concert, its disgusting, how everyone who likes that stuff thinks everyone must love them.

jibber · 12-15-2004, 01:09 AM

"...its disgusting, how everyone who likes that stuff thinks everyone must love them."

that's a pretty broad generalization there. I find it incredibly hard to believe that every green day and simple plan fan don't have the mental capacity to undertstand the principles behind the concepts of alternate opinions.

ish · 12-15-2004, 01:21 AM

I dont think they can broaden their horizons to see the other sorts of music out there, i mean hell if they just put it on and im there, i wont go complaining about how much is sucks, i'll put up with it, but they tell me to open my eyes from the music i listen to n see how awesome these bands are. They merely think the music I listen to is gross noise which should die. but there music is no better. pubescent boys that sound like they r crying..over wat?? a gf leaving them...or not getting their own way...hello its not they r the only ones who have to deal with it.

jibber · 12-15-2004, 01:24 AM

so your reasoning is that because you don't particularly enjoy green day and simple plan, EVERY single person who likes either of those bands cannot possible like any other band, because they can't "broaden their horizons"? well right off the bat I'm going to prove you dead wrong, because I like a lot of green day's music, but I also love a lot of other bands, and most likely a lot of the bands that based on being a green day fan, by your logic, should sound like "gross noise" to me.

ish · 12-15-2004, 02:24 AM

im not saying EVERY single person doesnt listen to other music, im just saying that the one's who say other music is noise should listen to it, i understand where greenday and simple plan r coming from, but i dont understand y people (such as my friends) dont like ANY other music

Oi_To_The_World · 12-15-2004, 10:17 AM

^ i know what you mean. i know people who get spoiled by melodic pop/rock and cant listen to a lot of punk groups because it sounds more like screaming and killing to them. but, the way i see it, there's lots of punk rockers who refuse to listen to anything on the radio because they think it's all "whiny." its the same concept, same mentality.

btw, i like green day for the most part. they're very first two albums are excellent (1036 smoothed out slappy hours and kerplunk). i dont however like the fact that they're turning american idiot into a movie (like the Who did with tommy), with that geek from GC and tim armstrong in it.

12-15-2004, 12:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
ish Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In my room Posts: 405	Sometimes u r forced to listen to ** that u dont want to hear like im not a big fan of greenday or simple plan but because all of my mates who think they r punk but r wannabe's r in love with these bands then i have to listen to their about how much they **ing rock, i mean they could atleast have a fair bit of decency to not blab on about it. cmon i know exactly how many days till the greenday concert, its disgusting, how everyone who likes that stuff thinks everyone must love them. __________________ ..::Born with nothing::.. ..::Die with everything::..

12-15-2004, 01:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	"...its disgusting, how everyone who likes that stuff thinks everyone must love them." that's a pretty broad generalization there. I find it incredibly hard to believe that every green day and simple plan fan don't have the mental capacity to undertstand the principles behind the concepts of alternate opinions. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

12-15-2004, 01:21 AM	#17 (permalink)
ish Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In my room Posts: 405	I dont think they can broaden their horizons to see the other sorts of music out there, i mean hell if they just put it on and im there, i wont go complaining about how much is sucks, i'll put up with it, but they tell me to open my eyes from the music i listen to n see how awesome these bands are. They merely think the music I listen to is gross noise which should die. but there music is no better. pubescent boys that sound like they r crying..over wat?? a gf leaving them...or not getting their own way...hello its not they r the only ones who have to deal with it. __________________ ..::Born with nothing::.. ..::Die with everything::..

12-15-2004, 01:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	so your reasoning is that because you don't particularly enjoy green day and simple plan, EVERY single person who likes either of those bands cannot possible like any other band, because they can't "broaden their horizons"? well right off the bat I'm going to prove you dead wrong, because I like a lot of green day's music, but I also love a lot of other bands, and most likely a lot of the bands that based on being a green day fan, by your logic, should sound like "gross noise" to me. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

12-15-2004, 02:24 AM	#19 (permalink)
ish Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In my room Posts: 405	im not saying EVERY single person doesnt listen to other music, im just saying that the one's who say other music is noise should listen to it, i understand where greenday and simple plan r coming from, but i dont understand y people (such as my friends) dont like ANY other music __________________ ..::Born with nothing::.. ..::Die with everything::..

12-03-2004, 04:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
tiaw Groupie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: belfast, northern ireland Posts: 16	bands like those mentioned above are just like any other in any other genre. record companies see a new trend they can develop and push different bands into that gap.. so that they can make money. it's all about target audience. boy bands are gonna sell albums to 11 year old girls, punk bands are gonna sell albums to frustrated teenagers. popular music is not real music. it's just whatever is likely to sell the most copies and therefore make the most money. genuinly good bands rarely break through.

12-13-2004, 07:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	does anyone here remember when "punk" meant the clash, sexpistols, greenday, and the offspring?

12-15-2004, 10:17 AM	#20 (permalink)
Oi_To_The_World Unpatriot Act Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: planet of the rapes Posts: 389	^ i know what you mean. i know people who get spoiled by melodic pop/rock and cant listen to a lot of punk groups because it sounds more like screaming and killing to them. but, the way i see it, there's lots of punk rockers who refuse to listen to anything on the radio because they think it's all "whiny." its the same concept, same mentality. btw, i like green day for the most part. they're very first two albums are excellent (1036 smoothed out slappy hours and kerplunk). i dont however like the fact that they're turning american idiot into a movie (like the Who did with tommy), with that geek from GC and tim armstrong in it. __________________ what is the mind? no matter. what is matter? never mind.