Flawed masterpieces (metal, favorite song, albums, Coldplay, track)

FireInCairo · 10-26-2008, 11:08 PM

I disagree partially, fools gold and elephant stone are two of the best songs on there! It needs a tracklisting reshuffle more than anything.

sweet_nothing · 10-27-2008, 12:14 AM

Elizabeth My Dear would have been just perfect if it was alot longer.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-27-2008, 01:15 AM

Fools Gold and Elephant Stone wern't on the Stone Roses debut.

They were singles added on as extras on a later release.

lucifer_sam · 10-27-2008, 01:28 AM

*UK debut. Fool's Gold came with the North American version. It doesn't really matter, though...I thought it sucked.

Bulldog · 10-27-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I've said it before here, if they sifted out the crap here it would be a complete winner.

That album is just too bloody long. There are some brilliant songs on it (Love's Sweet Exile, Born To End, Little Baby Nothing), but I've ever managed to sit through the entire thing

Which remind me of this;

Maybe if they Tony Visconti produce the whole album instead of giving a couple of tracks it would have been better. I still love the album anyway

Roygbiv · 10-27-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

I disagree partially, fools gold and elephant stone are two of the best songs on there! It needs a tracklisting reshuffle more than anything.

Maybe, but as some members above have noted, the two tracks weren't on the original UK debut but added later, which sort of makes the American release a blatant attempt to make the Stone Roses the next profitable band.

I mean, I don't blame them. Nobody can deny the Roses' historical importance, but it's just too bad.

WaspStar · 10-27-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roygbiv

Anyways, definitely the Stone Roses' debut.

If they had cut "Don't Stop," "Fool's Gold" and maybe even "Elephant Stone" out of the mix, the record, to me, would have been flawless, and I might have bought it by now if it weren't for the questionable pacing of the album.

Don't Stop comes in too soon. It's a mess of a song with no groove and five minutes too long. It destroys the pacing of the album completely. Fool's Gold is just redundant - we already have "She Bangs the Drums." And, finally, "Fools Gold" destroys an otherwise fantastic album closer: "I am the Resurrection."

I actually think that the US version of the debut tops the original issue. Fool's Gold feels tacked on, but in a good way, like Waterloo Sunset at the end of Something Else. It feels like an afterword. Elephant Stone is a bit iffier, but I think it's a good transition from Drums to Waterfall.

And I love Don't Stop, but I can see why a lot of people single it out as the weak spot on the album. The backwards tape gimmick actually works for once on that track. Ok, I'll admit that Mersey Paradise, Standing Here, or Where Angels Play might have worked in place of some of the lighter tracks on the album, but hey...I think the album plays perfectly as it is.

I think Side 1 of the debut, with or without Elephant Stone, is pretty seamless. It's only Side 2 that could do with a bit of rejigging. Sugar Spun Sister into Made Of Stone doesn't really work.

lucifer_sam · 10-27-2008, 03:22 PM

Made of Stone was easily my favorite song on the album...

jackhammer · 10-27-2008, 04:21 PM

I think I am probably the only member here who does'nt rate the Stone Roses debut at all.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-27-2008, 04:23 PM

I wouldn't say that

You are however probably the only person in the world who thinks Second Coming is better

10-26-2008, 11:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
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10-27-2008, 04:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I wouldn't say that You are however probably the only person in the world who thinks Second Coming is better __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.