Anyone share hatred for genres? (electronic, ambient, blues, country)

Alfred · 11-26-2008, 05:49 PM

I think describing the different styles of black and doom metal (just an example) is ridiculous. Just call it black/doom metal, like what? Do you expect every band in that subgenre to sound the same?

**Janszoon** · 11-26-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

I think describing the different styles of black and doom metal (just an example) is ridiculous. Just call it black/doom metal, like what? Do you expect every band in that subgenre to sound the same?

I agree, metal subgenres can get ridiculous. Same with electronica.

WaspStar · 11-27-2008, 06:50 AM

I don't mind if people use a term like "rock" to describe a certain type of music with electric guitars, a strong backbeat, aggression, etc. It's annoying and utterly useless when "rock" is used as a blanket term for all music, from Elvis Presley to the Beach Boys to James Taylor to The Clash (in all their incarnations).

Genres can be useful for describing the general instrumentation or sound of a given record, but beyond that, they're pretty useless. Still, for the neophyte listener, that's a pretty good start, considering how hard it is to adequately describe music.

Veronica Lodge · 11-27-2008, 07:29 AM

sometimes i think it should just be left alone.

genres and sub-genres are now out of hand.

i wish there was a more organic approach to it.

Aurelius · 11-27-2008, 12:48 PM

Genres can be useful, for example i use them to keep everything tidy on my ipod.
However genres can be a little bit generalised..

here comes my emo rant..
the modern representation of "emo" is completely wrong.. how can bands such as Panic at the Disco be classed under the genre of emo, when emo is really Emotive Hardcore?
and why do i have to be labelled because of the music i listen to? i am who i am.
thats just my 2 pence worth (yup, im English

).

justnic · 01-10-2009, 06:35 PM

I find it very intrusive on my music library, its just all wrong. ALL wrong. But hey, that's why I just put it on my mp3 player. I don't care if THOSE songs are mixed, but I don't like some of the genres that pop up all on their own for some bands.

CaseNumber:825 · 01-10-2009, 06:57 PM

I think it's better to stick to the basics when it comes to genre's

I can deal with having these basic genre's

Pop
Rock/Punk (These two genre's seem to cross-over so much recently)
Metal
RnB
Hip Hop
Techno/Electronica
Rap
Jazz
Soul
Classical
etc etc

In fact there are quite a few genre's that I'm glad are around

I think it starts getting silly when people start using these delightful little genre's
Deathcore
Grindcore
(In fact every single sub-genre of metal effectively annoys me to no end)
Screamo
Post-Hardcore
Indie Rock
Indie Pop
(NB especially annoying if the artist is not actually independant at all)

And so many other sub-genres..... I just looked at all of the sub-genre's for Indie Rock..... MY GOD WHY ARE SO MANY
It all just sounds the same anyway

To me Sub-genre's are just the fan's way of trying to make their favourite artist seem more unique than another fan's favourite artist.... even if both artists sound the seem.

The ONLY time sub-genre's or cross-genre's (Ex. when an artist takes the fundamentals of two or more genre's and combines them, for instance Pop-Rock) is when you actually can't simply label the artist as one thing
For Instance
I can't label Koda Kumi as simply a J-Pop artist.... because she does so much more than J-Pop
She breaks the boundaries between Pop, Rock, Techno and RnB/Hip-Hop
If you look at this:
Ningyo Hime PV
and then look at this:
Under PV
and then at this:
Wonderland PV
and try to tell me that she's not breaking boundaries there

But ONLY with artists like that is it acceptable

[NB.... wow that was a bit of a rant]

justnic · 01-10-2009, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaseNumber:825

I think it's better to stick to the basics when it comes to genre's

I can deal with having these basic genre's

Pop
Rock/Punk (These two genre's seem to cross-over so much recently)
Metal
RnB
Hip Hop
Techno/Electronica
Rap
Jazz
Soul
Classical
etc etc

In fact there are quite a few genre's that I'm glad are around

I think it starts getting silly when people start using these delightful little genre's
Deathcore
Grindcore
(In fact every single sub-genre of metal effectively annoys me to no end)
Screamo
Post-Hardcore
Indie Rock
Indie Pop
(NB especially annoying if the artist is not actually independant at all)

And so many other sub-genres..... I just looked at all of the sub-genre's for Indie Rock..... MY GOD WHY ARE SO MANY
It all just sounds the same anyway

To me Sub-genre's are just the fan's way of trying to make their favourite artist seem more unique than another fan's favourite artist.... even if both artists sound the seem.

The ONLY time sub-genre's or cross-genre's (Ex. when an artist takes the fundamentals of two or more genre's and combines them, for instance Pop-Rock) is when you actually can't simply label the artist as one thing
For Instance
I can't label Koda Kumi as simply a J-Pop artist.... because she does so much more than J-Pop
She breaks the boundaries between Pop, Rock, Techno and RnB/Hip-Hop
If you look at this:
Ningyo Hime PV
and then look at this:
Under PV
and then at this:
Wonderland PV
and try to tell me that she's not breaking boundaries there

But ONLY with artists like that is it acceptable

[NB.... wow that was a bit of a rant]

I think any of the "cores" are a bit much. Grindcorecore, Mallcorecorecore, its just plain annoying after a while.

CaseNumber:825 · 01-10-2009, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justnic

I think any of the "cores" are a bit much. Grindcorecore, Mallcorecorecore, its just plain annoying after a while.

I'm waiting for the Death-Metal-Grind-Black-Gothic-Power-Symphonic-Glam-Thrash-Hardcore band OF DOOM to show their ugly heads

**Janszoon** · 01-10-2009, 07:20 PM

The sub-genres can get pretty ridiculous but some of them are legit and work as helpful descriptions of the music. Bebop and Dixieland are two really different types of jazz for example.

11-26-2008, 05:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	I think describing the different styles of black and doom metal (just an example) is ridiculous. Just call it black/doom metal, like what? Do you expect every band in that subgenre to sound the same? __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM

11-27-2008, 06:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
WaspStar Back to mono Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 509	I don't mind if people use a term like "rock" to describe a certain type of music with electric guitars, a strong backbeat, aggression, etc. It's annoying and utterly useless when "rock" is used as a blanket term for all music, from Elvis Presley to the Beach Boys to James Taylor to The Clash (in all their incarnations). Genres can be useful for describing the general instrumentation or sound of a given record, but beyond that, they're pretty useless. Still, for the neophyte listener, that's a pretty good start, considering how hard it is to adequately describe music. __________________ "This sure doesn't look like 'Crazy Ernie's Amazing Emporium of Total Bargain Madness!'"

11-27-2008, 07:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
Veronica Lodge Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Riverdale. Posts: 174	sometimes i think it should just be left alone. genres and sub-genres are now out of hand. i wish there was a more organic approach to it. __________________ - Veronica Lodge - Yes, that IS what I said.

11-27-2008, 12:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
Aurelius Groupie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 15	Genres can be useful, for example i use them to keep everything tidy on my ipod. However genres can be a little bit generalised.. here comes my emo rant.. the modern representation of "emo" is completely wrong.. how can bands such as Panic at the Disco be classed under the genre of emo, when emo is really Emotive Hardcore? and why do i have to be labelled because of the music i listen to? i am who i am. thats just my 2 pence worth (yup, im English ). __________________ Apocalyptic and insane - my dreams will never change. It's not a matter of luck - it's just a matter of time. Tonight, we take control of the world.

01-10-2009, 06:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
justnic Groupie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 30	I find it very intrusive on my music library, its just all wrong. ALL wrong. But hey, that's why I just put it on my mp3 player. I don't care if THOSE songs are mixed, but I don't like some of the genres that pop up all on their own for some bands. __________________ For your listening pleasure...

01-10-2009, 06:57 PM	#27 (permalink)
CaseNumber:825 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Places that don't exist.... Posts: 131	I think it's better to stick to the basics when it comes to genre's I can deal with having these basic genre's Pop Rock/Punk (These two genre's seem to cross-over so much recently) Metal RnB Hip Hop Techno/Electronica Rap Jazz Soul Classical etc etc In fact there are quite a few genre's that I'm glad are around I think it starts getting silly when people start using these delightful little genre's Deathcore Grindcore (In fact every single sub-genre of metal effectively annoys me to no end) Screamo Post-Hardcore Indie Rock Indie Pop (NB especially annoying if the artist is not actually independant at all) And so many other sub-genres..... I just looked at all of the sub-genre's for Indie Rock..... MY GOD WHY ARE SO MANY It all just sounds the same anyway To me Sub-genre's are just the fan's way of trying to make their favourite artist seem more unique than another fan's favourite artist.... even if both artists sound the seem. The ONLY time sub-genre's or cross-genre's (Ex. when an artist takes the fundamentals of two or more genre's and combines them, for instance Pop-Rock) is when you actually can't simply label the artist as one thing For Instance I can't label Koda Kumi as simply a J-Pop artist.... because she does so much more than J-Pop She breaks the boundaries between Pop, Rock, Techno and RnB/Hip-Hop If you look at this: Ningyo Hime PV and then look at this: Under PV and then at this: Wonderland PV and try to tell me that she's not breaking boundaries there But ONLY with artists like that is it acceptable [NB.... wow that was a bit of a rant] __________________ ★Last.fm★LiveJournal★ "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination" - Elim Garak

01-10-2009, 07:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	The sub-genres can get pretty ridiculous but some of them are legit and work as helpful descriptions of the music. Bebop and Dixieland are two really different types of jazz for example. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm