Need to rant on (sinatra, elvis presley, American, effect, quote)

Dacoro · 12-03-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

People who are weaned exclusively on radio wouldn't really give a damn about your music unless its full of hooks and power chords anyway.

Very true

Zarko · 12-03-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dacoro

While you are very correct, I have to disagree on the emotion being dependant on the listener. While in most cases that is true, some musicians have had such great writing ability that they could create emotion within listeners at will.

Hmmm not really... I could count off so many jazz songs that people have no connection to. Just like I feel no emotional connection to most Beatles/Radiohead songs, which people like to quote in such discussions. Some may be better, but its hardly a universal factor.

Dacoro · 12-03-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarko

Hmmm not really... I could count off so many jazz songs that people have no connection to. Just like I feel no emotional connection to most Beatles/Radiohead songs, which people like to quote in such discussions. Some may be better, but its hardly a universal factor.

Actually, you're probably right. The only music I've REALLY felt emotional over comes from a piano, classic guitar, or a really deep guitar solo.

Zarko · 12-03-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dacoro

Actually, you're probably right. The only music I've REALLY felt emotional over comes from a piano, classic guitar, or a really deep guitar solo.

And unfortunately there are hundreds of thousands of people, who when you put that music of will tell ya to turn that 'boring ****' off...

Dacoro · 12-03-2008, 11:49 PM

Ya, I was listening to Moonlight Sonata today and my brother comes in the living room and tells me to turn it off.

Minstrel · 12-04-2008, 12:00 AM

What's on the radio and MTV is what's popular to a vast number of people, who are very casually into music. That doesn't make it soulless or other rather vague pejoratives. It's like saying that you're saddened by all the soulless restaurants like Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory, because they don't have chefs who make the most unique, creative dishes. Those restaurants are popular because they make accessible food that a lot of people like without having to put effort into it. That's a perfectly valid segment.

It's great if you prefer classical or indie or whatever you consider "emotional." Like what you want. I just don't see much point to decrying a part of the industry that is unapologetically making something that many, many people want and are happy to get.

Dacoro · 12-04-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Minstrel

What's on the radio and MTV is what's popular to a vast number of people, who are very casually into music. That doesn't make it soulless or other rather vague pejoratives. It's like saying that you're saddened by all the soulless restaurants like Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory, because they don't have chefs who make the most unique, creative dishes. Those restaurants are popular because they make accessible food that a lot of people like without having to put effort into it. That's a perfectly valid segment.

It's great if you prefer classical or indie or whatever you consider "emotional." Like what you want. I just don't see much point to decrying a part of the industry that is unapologetically making something that many, many people want and are happy to get.

I just hate the fact that major record labels are signing bands and musicians based on "marketability" instead of raw emotion, talent, or creativity. And I wasn't really talking about music that is "emotional". I was talking more about any genre of music that makes you feel certain ways when you listen to it. The type of music that, at times, makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

Minstrel · 12-04-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dacoro

I just hate the fact that major record labels are signing bands and musicians based on "marketability" instead of raw emotion, talent, or creativity.

"Marketable" boils down to "stuff lots of people will like." If lots of people will like it, why wouldn't they sign bands like that?

This is true of every industry; 75-90% of the industry is aimed at the casual consumer of that industry, because that's the vast majority of their customer base. If you want something more, you have to do the legwork to find that remaining "specialty" percentage. And if you want to be that "something more," you have to work harder, because people who want something more aren't easily satisfied.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.

Zarko · 12-04-2008, 12:18 AM

Thats what they've always done though... May as well lambaste them for their 70s/80s/90s work as well...

**Janszoon** · 12-04-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dacoro

I just hate the fact that major record labels are signing bands and musicians based on "marketability" instead of raw emotion, talent, or creativity.

That's not a new thing though, it's been going on for as long as there have been record labels. Do you really think people like Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley would've got the record deals they got if they were ugly slobs with no sense of style and no sex appeal?

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Minstrel Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 436	What's on the radio and MTV is what's popular to a vast number of people, who are very casually into music. That doesn't make it soulless or other rather vague pejoratives. It's like saying that you're saddened by all the soulless restaurants like Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory, because they don't have chefs who make the most unique, creative dishes. Those restaurants are popular because they make accessible food that a lot of people like without having to put effort into it. That's a perfectly valid segment. It's great if you prefer classical or indie or whatever you consider "emotional." Like what you want. I just don't see much point to decrying a part of the industry that is unapologetically making something that many, many people want and are happy to get. __________________ "Blow your tuneless trumpet, the choice is yours / We don't want the glamour, the pomp and the drums / The Dublin messiah scattering crumbs"

12-03-2008, 11:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dacoro Groupie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 9	Ya, I was listening to Moonlight Sonata today and my brother comes in the living room and tells me to turn it off.

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Zarko Barely Disheveled Zombie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1,196	Thats what they've always done though... May as well lambaste them for their 70s/80s/90s work as well...