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DJ Phoenix 01-04-2009 06:15 AM

Vinyl making a HUGE comeback:
 
Nice to see, as i have about 300-400 records. Most times, I enjoy the sounds of vinyl over cd's, it just sounds crisper:


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4ZZZ 01-04-2009 07:26 AM

As someone who once had over 2,000 albums on vinyl and goodness knows how many singles, I do not pine for a return to this awful stuff that was far too fragile. It scratched too easy if the wrong hands got hold of it. Some of my very well looked after vinyl that had not been played for over a decade took some cleaning from the dust that somehow clogged the grooves. Yuk!

I suspect that there is a touch of nostalgia, and the fact that they are rather
tactile is involved in this "huge" comeback. Bear in mind that as much as the covers are nice the music is the key. If Abbey Road was put out in a brown paper bag it would still be an all time great recording. Also the great thing about the CD is that they can be copied to a very cheap blank and the original stored away safe and sound and still be in great working order many years later.

British_pharaoh 01-04-2009 01:57 PM

meh

Anteater 01-05-2009 11:30 AM

Vinyl isn't worthy of coming back. Bring back the 8-Track damn it!!!

Akira 01-05-2009 11:40 AM

Vinyl=crap

adidasss 03-12-2009 08:49 AM

Well, having sifted through the half a dozen or so threads dedicated to this topic, I still don't understand what the deal is with this format, especially with its recent resurgence. Apparently the sound isn't better (than CDs or high quality mp3s), it's far less convenient to listen to, much more delicate and prone to corruption and as far as I can tell, more expensive...I get that it holds a lot of nostalgic value for older folk but what's up with the young peeps drooling over it lately? I didn't really grow up in an environment that payed much attention to music but my sister did have some vinyl records and I can't say they hold any particular nostalgic value for me. I was a child of tapes but I can't see myself going back to that any time soon...:\

So, all things considered, it all reeks of an annoying indier-than-thou fad...*shrugs*

simplephysics 03-12-2009 09:04 AM

I buy used vinyl because it's cheap, I can walk out of a shop with ten records without spending over $25.

GuitarBizarre 03-12-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612107)
Well, having sifted through the half a dozen or so threads dedicated to this topic, I still don't understand what the deal is with this format, especially with its recent resurgence. Apparently the sound isn't better (than CDs or high quality mp3s), it's far less convenient to listen to, much more delicate and prone to corruption and as far as I can tell, more expensive...I get that it holds a lot of nostalgic value for older folk but what's up with the young peeps drooling over it lately? I didn't really grow up in an environment that payed much attention to music but my sister did have some vinyl records and I can't say they hold any particular nostalgic value for me. I was a child of tapes but I can't see myself going back to that any time soon...:\

So, all things considered, it all reeks of an annoying indier-than-thou fad...*shrugs*

The sound IS better, but its a case of you WILL need audiophile equipment to discern the difference between the two. Heavy Guage vinyl recordings als have much better sound than light guage. Unfortunately the degradation of the medium is a price we have to pay.

All things told, is SACD or DVD-A had taken off, then Vinyl would be truly dead, because those formats offered vastly improved sound quality and also eliminated the handling issues.

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Molecules 03-12-2009 09:45 AM

i've got a decent sound set up, pre-amp etc and an old record player that i can hook up, but i don't see the point either, i can't afford that sh*t. The 'resurgence' in 7'' singles is a student thing and it's a hollow gesture to those kind of people, they dont care about the sound. Dread's right though, you can buy stacks of second hand ones for nothing and if it's old 70's albums with mental artwork you get the full impact, gatefold sleeves etc..

If someone would buy me some decks and a stack of records so i could learn to mix though, i'd be just fine with that :D I thought vinyl would last forever on the dancefloor but you get these 'blank-vinyl' decks that hooks up to laptops, you can mix digital music live. Madness. Plus widespread bootlegging's killing it off in that area as well... WE'RE ALL DOOMED.

Unless you're a crate-digger or bearded prog rock enthusiast

adidasss 03-12-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught (Post 612108)
I buy used vinyl because it's cheap, I can walk out of a shop with ten records without spending over $25.

But if you buy it used, considering the wear and tear, you're already forfeiting what should be the primary reason for buying it, the (supposedly) superior sound, no? Doesn't it then just come down to the "cool" artwork? *unsure*

I dunno, it either seems like a sport of the well-off or the wannabes who want to appear cool by saying they listen to an "obscure" format...*shrug*

joyboyo53 03-12-2009 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612107)
Well, having sifted through the half a dozen or so threads dedicated to this topic, I still don't understand what the deal is with this format, especially with its recent resurgence. Apparently the sound isn't better (than CDs or high quality mp3s), it's far less convenient to listen to, much more delicate and prone to corruption and as far as I can tell, more expensive...I get that it holds a lot of nostalgic value for older folk but what's up with the young peeps drooling over it lately? I didn't really grow up in an environment that payed much attention to music but my sister did have some vinyl records and I can't say they hold any particular nostalgic value for me. I was a child of tapes but I can't see myself going back to that any time soon...:\

So, all things considered, it all reeks of an annoying indier-than-thou fad...*shrugs*

i think alot of it has to do with your closing statement. i can say however that listening to vinyl encourages people to listen to an entire album through (which encourages artist to make albums that way) and that is something i prefer. it is also a much more interesting form of collectable, as the art on the album cover is put more into focus. you are right that modern high quality mp3s and cds do have better sound quality, but i would say 1/2 my mp3s are not of that quality. i think people just sometimes like to take a step backwards and recognize the achievements of the past. some things are hard to explain, like why people would pay loads of money to stay in an expensive historical hotel when they could just goto the nearest sheraton where it will have the better ac, food, and beds?

7gaugejames 03-12-2009 10:25 AM

Vinyl; as follows,
 
I think the things about vinyl that keep it here are,
1) the artwork
2) inserts! Sleeve art!
3) the process, getting the vinyl out, checking for scratches in the light, setting it on the player, getting the stylus/ needle at the ready, watching the auto action of the dropping of the licorice pizza and the magical way the arm moves to the edge of the album.
4) and believe it or not, the static and extra noise that you hear first, the white noise before it is replaced with stereophonic sound. Brilliant.
Note: Adidass , maybe your shrug could be replaced by a knowing nod if the right person had the record collection and the listening gear. Superior sound is good, don't get me wrong, I'm a Steely Dan man from way back. Sound counts, for alot. However you ever try scratching or dj mixing a c.d.?

adidasss 03-12-2009 10:28 AM

^^ No, I'm not into scratching or dj-ing, but I'd guess neither are 90% of the people that buy vinyl nowadays.

@jgd: So should we expect a big comeback of tapes? They also have crappier sound, wear easily and make it really difficult for you to skip tracks. *unsure*

LoathsomePete 03-12-2009 10:38 AM

I started to collect vinyl back in 2004 and had a pretty respectable small collection but I sold them all in 2007 when I thought I was moving to the U.K. Since then I have noticed the trend of collecting it starting to rise, especially with newer artists, and big retail chains like Best Buy has started selling turntables and records. I really love the analog sound, it's a lot more full and round, it almost sounds like you're actually in the recording studio with the band. However they do take up a lot of space and are not portable playable. Still if you've got the space and want the sound then more power to you.

7gaugejames 03-12-2009 10:40 AM

Scratching; as follows,
 
:rofl:No doubt, I never have, I don't even know why I put that in, I'm a poser.:shycouch: Cassettes should be outlawed, :yikes:FF and REV su(k:finger:

7gaugejames 03-12-2009 10:45 AM

Nobody's Perfect; as follows,
 
Yes! I have this record of Muddy Waters and you can hear the sound of his chair scooting across the top of the linoleum, it's f'n brilliant.:afro: The C.d. had it digitally removed, I was looking for more backround noise( can you believe it) on C.D.... silly local.:rofl:

mr. goth glam 03-12-2009 11:25 AM

I only have one vinyl record, so my emotional stock in this is pretty minimal.

I've always wanted to collect a little though.

Roygbiv 03-12-2009 11:27 AM

I bought my own automatic record player less than a year ago, and I'm only buying albums that were recorded on analog or were meant to be played on Vinyl only (I'm looking at you, Steve Albini). So i'm part of that crowd, whether I like it or not.

adidasss 03-12-2009 12:26 PM

I don't understand the difference between analog and digital sound, can someone explain it to me?

Roygbiv 03-12-2009 12:42 PM

Analog recorded on tape and mixed via multi tracking, whereas Digital is not recorded on tape and it's mixed on things like Pro Tools.


I think.

joyboyo53 03-12-2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612142)
^^ No, I'm not into scratching or dj-ing, but I'd guess neither are 90% of the people that buy vinyl nowadays.

@jgd: So should we expect a big comeback of tapes? They also have crappier sound, wear easily and make it really difficult for you to skip tracks. *unsure*

listen i am explaining why there is a resurgence of some sorts and the relevant reasoning behind it, no need to be cheeky. besides, tapes have practically no album art and were much less reliable than viynl. nobody ever got their record stuck in the record player, whereas tapes broke, and ****ed up your whole system.

Analog sound vs. digital sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

glutoro 03-12-2009 01:00 PM

I have only 20 records but I really love them. About once a month I put them on play a song here and there.. I love records.. and the sound like was said before is very crisp, and raw.

Mojo 03-12-2009 01:13 PM

I have quite a bit of vinyl that has all been bought in the last few years. I love vinyl as a format but with certain records my vinyl copy is simply for collectable purposes. I still use vinyl as an extremely cheap method of picking up lots of albums but of course these really need to be albums of a certain age. I wouldnt buy too many new releases on vinyl, i would just get the CD.

For some of the stuff I've bought I've bought on vinyl to avoid any kind of remastering. Not an issue for a lot of stuff but for some of the stuff I've bought vinyl has been the only way to get the original master.

simplephysics 03-12-2009 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612129)
But if you buy it used, considering the wear and tear, you're already forfeiting what should be the primary reason for buying it, the (supposedly) superior sound, no? Doesn't it then just come down to the "cool" artwork? *unsure*

I dunno, it either seems like a sport of the well-off or the wannabes who want to appear cool by saying they listen to an "obscure" format...*shrug*

Pretty much all of the records I've bought used have been in pretty good condition, and I'd rather pay 3 dollars for an album I want to hear instead of buying it in CD format and spend nearly 15. I only have 4 or 5 records that weren't originally released on vinyl. I don't buy them for the 'cool' factor, I'm the only person who see's my collection anyways. In 20 years are we all going to question the motives of those who still buy CD's?

adidasss 03-12-2009 01:32 PM

I question them now...:\

joyboyo53 03-12-2009 01:37 PM

its the same reason people still use forums, even though it is an outdated form of technology; there is still use for it and people still like it.

Molecules 03-12-2009 01:38 PM

basically, this online community epitomizes the changed attitudes and market shifts or whatever, and consequently the decline of the record industry and we are all going to Hades... unnerstan?

question: does the modern lightweight vinyl still warp like the old heavy stuff? My dad's record collection has spent years at a time packed tightly together in the loft where the dampness just does wonders for them. Cue ruination of the Clockwork Orange/Ghostbusters OST :(

ps cds rule

adidasss 03-12-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 612237)
its the same reason people still use forums, even though it is an outdated form of technology; there is still use for it and people still like it.

Are there any better ways for people from all over the world to get together and discuss things like muzak?*unsure*
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Originally Posted by Molecules (Post 612238)
ps cds rule

Why?

joyboyo53 03-12-2009 01:54 PM

yes, chat rooms are better as far as technology goes. just as mp3s are better as far as technology goes than a vinyl, but plenty of people find that listening to an album all the way through on a vinyl similarly could be called a "better" way to enjoy the music.

Molecules 03-12-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612243)

Why?

Loads of reasons really... i like my pre-broadband internet CD collection, when you used to pay through the nose 4 albums on CD it always had alot more intrinsic value and you were genuinely wounded if they sucked, but more often than not i would come back to them years later and be like, 'rah, i get it now' (as you do). Sound quality aswell obviously, when I d/l I try and get as close as possible to 320kbps as I can ever since I started noticing the blatant crappiness of standard 128kbps mp3s (like actually crackling on the lower frequencies)

i've rambled loads about how morally bankrupt kids are today if they dont have loads of hard copy music, and it's definitely all true :laughing:

GuitarBizarre 03-12-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 612245)
yes, chat rooms are better as far as technology goes. just as mp3s are better as far as technology goes than a vinyl, but plenty of people find that listening to an album all the way through on a vinyl similarly could be called a "better" way to enjoy the music.

Chatrooms don't archive posts and don't end up as large repositories of information. Its much harder to build up a sense of community in a chatroom, since theres no way for you to tell what was going on even 3 seconds before yu logged in. YOu have to be online at the same time as the people you are talking to, they have less customization of avatars and so on, and they become largely useless once they breach about a dozen users at a time.

Forums are WAY better than chatrooms.

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joyboyo53 03-12-2009 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 612250)
Chatrooms don't archive posts and don't end up as large repositories of information. Its much harder to build up a sense of community in a chatroom, since theres no way for you to tell what was going on even 3 seconds before yu logged in. YOu have to be online at the same time as the people you are talking to, they have less customization of avatars and so on, and they become largely useless once they breach about a dozen users at a time.

Forums are WAY better than chatrooms.

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in my post i said as far as TECHNOLOGY goes. just like technologically speaking, cds are better than vinyl, there is other non technology based reasons they are superior. so thanks i guess, for giving my point more validity.

adidasss 03-12-2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 612245)
yes, chat rooms are better as far as technology goes. just as mp3s are better as far as technology goes than a vinyl, but plenty of people find that listening to an album all the way through on a vinyl similarly could be called a "better" way to enjoy the music.

Um, I think chatrooms are a bit 90's meself. And they're also very different forms of communication. Forums are much more organized and efficient. Edit: Or what Guitarbizarre said...:laughing:

Also, I don't see how technologically chat rooms are more advanced. If you mean the programming is more up to date I wouldn't agree. Programmers are constantly updating the forum software.
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Originally Posted by Molecules (Post 612246)
Loads of reasons really... i like my pre-broadband internet CD collection, when you used to pay through the nose 4 albums on CD it always had alot more intrinsic value and you were genuinely wounded if they sucked, but more often than not i would come back to them years later and be like, 'rah, i get it now' (as you do). Sound quality aswell obviously, when I d/l I try and get as close as possible to 320kbps as I can ever since I started noticing the blatant crappiness of standard 128kbps mp3s (like actually crackling on the lower frequencies)

i've rambled loads about how morally bankrupt kids are today if they dont have loads of hard copy music, and it's definitely all true :laughing:

Well, I definitely am morally (and financially) bankrupt, but if I had the money, I still wouldn't pay for CDs anymore. Main reason is because I listen to music on the computer or on my iphone. I still have about 100 CDs from the pre-mp3 days but I haven't played one in years. They're just collecting dust...:\

And nowadays you can still pay money for crap albums in mp3 format if that's your thing, only you wouldn't have the plastic lying around, you could just delete them. See, mp3s are even environment friendly.....;)

Dr_Rez 03-12-2009 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToeAndno (Post 573784)
Vinyl=crap

-1:bringit:

Fruitonica 03-12-2009 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612205)
I don't understand the difference between analog and digital sound, can someone explain it to me?

We hear in analogue, it's theoretically of higher quality because it has infinite variation, at any point you can measure it to any arbitrary level of accuracy.

Digital is inherently less accurate because it is an approximation of the analogue sound. They sample the music at a certain rate, and at every point of measurement replicate it to the closest level accuracy.

The smooth wave is analogue, the columns are digital.

http://shopper.cnet.com/i/ba/bg/mp3/mp3_diagram.gif

But with high quality digital sound people can't really tell the difference.

actofsummer 03-12-2009 11:26 PM

We definitely
 
agree that vinyls are great :)

simplephysics 03-13-2009 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612235)
I question them now...:\

:( Sometimes I like to fight the good fight.

adidasss 03-13-2009 07:34 AM

In what way? Are we talking about supporting the artists or getting the best quality of the sound, because you can do both with legal digital downloads.

FireInCairo 03-13-2009 07:52 AM

Try listening to Public Image ltd.- Metal Box on vinyl, then have a listen to the remastered cd or mp3's and come back and say that the vinyl doesn't sound 100% better

simplephysics 03-13-2009 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 612856)
In what way? Are we talking about supporting the artists or getting the best quality of the sound, because you can do both with legal digital downloads.

Supporting the artists, but for the most part that was just a joke. I do my fair share of downloading but I also like to have hard copies of my music.


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