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Music Banter Hall of Fame: Induction Thread 2
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Music Banter Hall Of Fame: Induction thread So here's the second induction thread, if ya don't know what to do read below. The nominees are: Radiohead Music Banter's band of choice.... or are they? The Kinks One of the most popular choices yet in the nomination round, will they slip up now? The Beach Boys Do they give you good vibrations? (i don't know :() Public Enemy Will they be the first hip-hop act into the hall of fame? How this works If you have over 100 posts under your name then you can vote, feel free to voice your opinions if you have less posts though. There won't be a poll, votes will be made publically by posting in this thread. You can vote for yes or no as many times as you want, as long as there's an explanation for your vote. So a post here would look like.... Radiohead: Yes, because.... The Kinks: No, because.... The Beach Boys: Yes, because... etc. The artists that get 2/3rd Yes votes for them get in, easy as that. Those who don't get in can still be nominated at a later date. This'll be open for a week and a half, since people seem to be confused remember you are voting what YOU think should be in the Hall Of Fame, not what you think others would want or whatever. Get voting peeps! |
Radiohead
Yes because they've consistantly been at the forefront of innovation and seem to be ever evolving throughout their career. While my personal favorite Radiohead album isn't typically regarded as one of their better Pablo Honey still manages to send chills down my spine every time I hear the album. Truly one of the best things to come out of the 90s. The Kinks Yes because they're The Kinks. One of the funnest bands to sing along to, ever. While they're a band I don't actually know much about I can say with 100% certainty that they managed to blend upbeat vocal harmonies with guitar oriented rock music better than anyone else could. When I'm feeling down The Kinks are one of my go-to bands. The Beach Boys Probably a yes, I'll get back to this after I give them a few spins. My mom appreciates them far more than I do. Public Enemy I'm going to have to say no. I just don't connect to the music at all. It does nothing for me and for the most part I can't appreciate the cultural relevance. |
Radiohead: Yes. I'm not their biggest fan and they get far too much hype. However they aim to constantly expand their sound and are talented musicians.
The Kinks. Yes Not as innovative as The Beatles but arguably better in my book and quintessentially English. The Beach Boys . No Even allowing for the fact that I don't like them, i don't think they had as much impact in the UK (except for The Beatles) and they are mainly remembered for surf hits. Public Enemy. Yes Crept into the mainstream whilst never compromising their principles and still eminently listenable. |
Radiohead Yes, forget about their bands for one sec and remember that there's very few bands out their who are doing what they do and are as easily accessible.
The Kinks Yes, some of the finest singles ever made and a ton more charm than their counterparts. The Beach Boys No, although it's a close one. I like them but they're not quite good enough for me i think. Public Enemy Yes, if the Wu Tang aren't getting in like hell i'm watching Public Enemy fail as well. |
Radiohead: Yes, though overrated greatly in music forums like this one, they are still probably the most important band of the last 20 years, so they greatly deserve it.
The Kinks: Why of course, you can't leave out one of the big 4 of the british invasion can you? The Beach Boys: Yes, only reason not to vote for them would be out of personal taste Public Enemy: Hey yeah, should be no argument for this one, most important hip hop act ever. |
Radiohead: Yes because, to me, they are the best thing out there right now. I don't know what my life would be like with out them.
The Kinks: Yes because this is an incredibly fun band. Mi Madre loves them so they have some family relevance to me. The Beach Boys: No. This one was tough, like it was in the first round, but to me they can't make it in off of fun but somewhat average pop tunes. Pet Sounds is great, but if Neutral Milk Hotel couldn't make it in off of the success of one album then The Beach Boys certainly don't make it in (In my eyes). Public Enemy: No. The Unfan said it perfectly. Maybe I just don't get it, but to me they just aren't worthy of Hall of Fame status. |
Radiohead: No; wretched band.
The Kinks: Yes, if only for the original VGPS and their early "rock" singles. The Beach Boys: No. I can't think of a single track I want to hear again. PE: Eh, I'll have to abstain from this one. Haven't really heard enough to judge. |
Radiohead: Yes, because despite all the bitching and other nonsense that goes on here about them they are still an amazing band that represents the taste of a lot of MB members.
The Kinks: Yes, absolutely yes. Not only are they one of my favorite bands, but they're internationally loved. They're really something else. (LOL GET IT?!) The Beach Boys: Yes, even though I'm not a fan. (Boo Boo said it perfectly.) Public Enemy: No vote either way. |
Radiohead
Yes, great band that know how to re-invent their sound and arent afraid to try different things. The Kinks Yes, theyre influence speaks for its self. The Beach Boys No, I cant think of any good reason really. Public Enemy Yes, probably the best political rap group ever. |
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Radiohead
Yes, because Jonny Greenwood is a sexy beast. The Kinks Yes, great songwriting to fit great songs. Not voting on the last two. |
Radiohead
Yes. They've made relevant, great music for a decade and a half, showing great versatility in sound while still remaining extremely high quality. The Kinks Yes. They created some of the best albums of the 1960s and their influence has been enormous. The Beach Boys Yes. Both their early surf pop career and their later sophisticated pop career were extremely influential. They not only influenced the melodic sound of countless bands (the root of the extremely common "sunny harmonies" in pop music), they also influenced the production side of pop music from then on, leading to much more complex, layered approaches. Public Enemy Yes. One of the most influential hip-hop groups, they were perhaps the biggest influence in socially aware rap, as rap went from merely a party music form to a conduit to express the experiences of people in difficult situations that many middle-class listeners had no real exposure to. |
The Beach Boys - No. Whatever Brian Wilson's innovation and their skill with harmonies, the music doesn't engage me enough to put them through.
Public Enemy - Yes. Arguably the most important rap group ever, Wu-tang gives them a run for their money, but their longevity and stronger discography win out. I wont vote on the other two because I'm pretty unfamiliar with their stuff. |
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Radiohead:
yes> they"re the MB glory boys. The Kinks: YES. I like them and they influence a ton of thecurrent bands I like Beach Boys: Voted yes in the HOF, but it's a no here not good ENOUGH Pulic Enemy: No. I don't like them. I dont find them influential othe rhtne spawning socially concius hip-hop bores. |
The Beach Boys had more than one great album, Neutral Milk Hotel didn't.
Just felt like pointing that out. |
Radiohead - Yes. Consistently pushing the boundaries with every release for a decade. Never afraid to experiment and subvert expectations, they manage to attain a standard rarely matched, and its all on their own terms.
The Kinks - Yes. Ray Davies is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. Being English, one has a certain sentimentality with the Kinks because they are your quintessential English band, the lyrics are identifiable. Not to mention at least three superb albums. The Beach Boys - No. Overrated by an American society desperate for a band to stem the flow of the British invasion. They made a couple of good albums but i dont think theyre good enough for hall of fame status. Public Enemy. They are culturally important, hugely so i'd say. They also made two of the best hip hop albums of all time. For the impact they had and the quality of their output, i say yes. |
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Just felt like pointing that out. |
Radiohead - Yes I agree with previous statements, they are one of the most innovative groups out there and they continue to experiment and try new things in their music.
The Kinks - Yes As said, they are a really fun band to listen to. They have plenty of great, highly accessible music (that doesn't get boring) that has influenced so many other great acts. The Beach Boys - No Good band, but they don't do enough for me. For each song I like there's way too many that are just meh. Public Enemy - No opinion (I have barely heard anything by them - not a hip hop person) |
Radiohead - Does it really matter what I chuck here? :p:
The Kinks Definitely. Great, fun band that everyone should get a solid listen to, not just the hits. The Beach Boys No. Just not my thing, and although influencing a popular demographic probably didn't do enough. Public Enemy Well they definitely should be... Hellllllllllllllll yeah |
Radiohead - No. From what I've heard (which is two studio albums and their best of) I'm not impressed, and I consider them overrated. They have their qualities, but not enough to justify them going to the Hall of Fame.
The Kinks - Yes. Possibly the best band in history. The Beach Boys - Yes. A small yes, simply for the role they played in my early teens. Public Enemy - I haven't listened enough to form an opinion. |
Radiohead - They're overrated, but still okay. Undecided.
the Kinks - Absolutely. I'm not their biggest fan but I'm able to tell the Davies have a good bit of songwriting talent. Beach Boys - **** no. Pet sounds was nowhere near as good as people make it out to be and Brian Wilson was the only one with any appreciable songwriting skills (which have been overstated repeatedly). Public Enemy - a regrettable no here. I won't deny their influence but there were better, smarter hip-hop acts like De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, and Pharcyde, among others. |
Radiohead - Undecided, I like some of their stuff but haven't heard enough.
The Kinks - YES The Beach Boys - YES Public Enemy - Undecided |
Radiohead - Yes, because they are certainly popular on Musicbanter, and will probably be the most remembered band of this generation.
The others, undecided. |
Maybe I am missing the point as to what a Hall Of Fame is but a combination of popularity, innovation and influence would be the key to selection IMO.
So if a Hall Of Fame is to have any credibility the Beach Boys being rejected would be a travesty. It is not a matter of liking or disliking them when discussing their place in the history of music. They were both popular and innovative. They were and still are influential. Even bands as far removed from their sound and as diverse as say Air, for example, have admitted an influence. They are genuine hall of fame material. As to the other 3 I have hardly heard any of their music but they also carry that combination of popularity, innovation and influence. All 4 artists nominated get a vote from me. |
I think the point is that there are already a million Hall of Fame or Greatest Ever lists using exactly that criteria.
This is meant to be more personal and unique to the site, to represent the tastes of the community. We shouldn't admit The Beach Boys simply because they have already attained classic status, that should influence our decision, but the most important factor is liking the music they made. |
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That being said the use of pop hooks doesn't exactly quantify "innovation." :rolleyes: |
Radiohead:
Yes The Kinks: Yes Beach Boys: No Pulic Enemy: Yes |
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Radiohead:
Yes. The Kinks: Yes. Beach Boys: No. Public Enemy: Haven't listened to enough. Only release I have of theirs is 'It Takes a Nation...'. Need to get the rest someday! |
Radiohead: No
The Kinks: Yes Beach Boys: big YES! Public Enemy: not too fond of their music |
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Radiohead: Yes.
The Kinks: Yes. Beach Boys: Yes. Public Enemy: Undecided. |
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If Beach Boys don't make it and Public Enemy do I quit. Seriously.
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But PE are so much better...
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Of course innovative and influence are subjective terms but there is a strong case that they were both. I am of the opinion that pop hooks are harder to write than is given credit for and The Beach Boys wrote great ones in droves. They also had what at the time was a fairly unique sound. It may not sound like that today but it was at the time fresh and new and they had a massive influence. Bear in mind that in Australia their type of surf pop still gets a thrashing today. I never play them now and am not that fussed if they are included or not but if the Hall Of Fame is only based on personal likes only without any of those other considerations then I am not sure what the point is. |
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Radiohead - Yes, they have been pumping out great albums at a good rate for a while now.
The Kinks - Yes The Beach Boys - No, I adore Pet Sounds, but they don't have a great enough body of work to get a yes. Public Enemy - N/A |
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