Living off the dead!
 

The other day I was listening to some music on my friends ipod. I first checked out his Nirvana tracks. Then I saw he had some Pink:(... I wanted to hear her new single. The one about "getting in a fight" blah blah blah.

When I heard the first tune, I stopped it. It sounded a bit like Nirvanas Breed! I thought that it was probably just a coincidence. Then I heard another of her songs called "Full Throttle" I think from the movie Charlies' Angels. It Sounded famaliar to me again! This time it was an exact replica! It was copy and pasted from Nirvanas "Stay Away"! That Cow! How could she do that. That was not a mistake surely... Listen for yourself and tell me what you think... She took the chorus and changed the lyrics. She gives Nirvana no credit...:( What else has she stolen and made millions from!

pink sucks, nirvana sucks.

coincidence?

Wait a second.....Nirvana - 'The Man Who Sold The World' sounds a lot like David Bowie's song 'The Man Who Sold The World'.

I swear, you're going on 2000 posts and you still haven't made one remotely intelligent comment.

Well call up Joe Satriani and you two can have a heartful pow-wow.

Also, "Come As You Are" by Nirvana sure sounds a hell of a lot like "Eighties" by Killing Joke.

anyone ever notice the similarities between the chorus to boston's 'more than a feeling' and the main riff to nirvana's 'smells like teen spirit'???

pretty shocking stuff.

with all of 5 major chord shapes on a guitar and a whopping 12 tones to an octave i really can't see how ANYONE might ever end up sounding like someone else.... i mean a pop star with chord based hooks for her chorus ends up with melodies that sounds like a band that based their entire existence on chord based hooks? unpossible....

Everyone knows that the Smells Like Teen Spirit riff is a ripoff of like 12 different songs.

What I don't understand is who Nirvana actually ripped off. Mudhoney is the only grunge band that sounds like them, but Mudhoney really are remotely different.

They take influences from many different artists and incorporate them into a sound i dont think is really ripping anybody off. Cobains influences stretch as far as the Vaselines and Young Marble Giants ffs

A lot of people are quick to say the Pixies, but anyone with ears knows that is f*cking stupid. They have the some structure, but the actual execution is nothing alike, at all.

The Melvins comparisons are also incredibly overstated.

Seriously, I hate people who try to discredit a band for having obvious influences.

"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." - Salvador Dali

Right, because your opinion is fact.

What I find unique to Nirvana is the Sonic Youth vibe that they have. No other grunge bands really have that same vibe.

Also, the Melvins are sludge metal. Way different then anything Nirvana has made.

Something like that happened to me.. I was riffing a good song that I thought was totally original and it turned out to be a song from a band I'd never heard of.

People treat musicians as if they've heard everything out there. The truth is things can slip and people really can have the same idea twice.

LOL. What.

I know your probaly being sarcastic, but it was a cover and Kurt Cobain says at the end "That was a David Bowie song". I know you probably being sarcastic but I'm OCD about Nirvana

The difference is that the guys in Nirvana were fans of Killing Joke and they definitely knew the song. That's not to say I think they deliberately ripped it off, sometimes you think you just came up with something cool but it's actually that you just figured out how to play a song you already know without realizing it.

I don't know bout that. I've always read that Cobain told Killing Joke they'd never heard of them, and I've also read that Killing Joke said Nirvana admitted to being fans. I'm more inclined to believe Nirvana but that's just because I'm a Nirvana-geek.

Guess we'll never know :(

I have a hard time believing Cobain and Grohl hadn't heard of Killing Joke.

Why so?

I think we already do know. Killing Joke were a well known post-punk band that definitely would've been known to the members of Nirvana considering the other bands they cited as influences. And "Eighties" was one of Killing Joke's most well known songs.

And if that doesn't convince you, consider this account from Nirvana's manager (from here):

True, if Cobain cited the Vaselines and YMG's as influences he would have heard of Killing Joke

Damn you Wikipedia.. YOU HAVE FAILED ME!

People keep forgetting the Black Sabbath influences especially in the guitar riffs and yes he was a fan of them too.

No one is original, we learn music from listening to it. We reproduce what we hear. But we are supposed to use our own artistic abilities to define our own music. We kind of combine many different sounds together to make our own. But we keep a particular sound that is always present.

I'd be happy if pink just used a bit of Nirvanas music but used her own artistic tools to make her own unique version. Otherwise she should give them credit. I wander if Dave Grohl ever picks it up...

P.S At least Nirvana kept the same name, gave Bowie credit and made a unique version for the man who sold the world.

And what about the Killing Joke song?

"What's Going On?" by Husker Du and "1979" by the Smashing Pumpkins???

I'm not their lawyer! That's sounds pretty ridiculous though... At least it was consulted cause some one said something. Pink is free... Dave Grohl should be pissed!

Can you link to these Pink songs? I'm curious to hear them.

As for Killing Joke comparison to Nirvana, I think it's there but it's not too much that it could be called a direct ripoff.

I agree. There are riffage similarities but Killing Joke are far far better for a start. Moving this to general.

Nirvana weren't even the first group to be called NIrvana...and so on...and so on...

I dunno if I agree with that statement. Killing Joke were certainly far more interesting but overall I think bland works like their debut dampen their overall effect. Night Time was great, yes, but as their best work it really isn't representative of everything else they did. I haven't heard anything after Pandemonium, tbh. It was just too generic to be intriguing.

Wait a second here. You're saying their first album was bland and Night Time was their best album?! :crazy:

That's too bad because the two albums after are two of their best IMO.

Virtually every album throws up a different sound and I would say their influence has produced a wider array and generally better bands than Nirvana influenced. I'm not going to argue the merits of Killing Joke. I just find them infinitely more interesting and eclectic than Nirvana.

*re-checks*

Yep. I got bored with the self-titled halfway through. There was nothing at the end to even keep me interested. At least Night Time had good songs which carried all the way through it.

Guess I'll try listening to their other works, see if my opinion changes. :)

I argue this a lot but the more music I listen to, and the more music technology improves, the more I realize what a hell of a lot of original ways there are to do the same thing.

I know I'll get a good pounding for this, but I actually consider Nirvana to be better than the majority of their influences, Killing Joke included.

Melvins, Big Black, Killing Joke - yes
The Pixies - hell no.

Just my perspective.