Is Remixed Music Art? (lyrics, drum, hip-hop, jazz, genre)

Anteater · 02-23-2009, 10:23 PM

Well, if you consider the 90% of rap out there which samples other songs to scavenge their "beats" art, then I suppose remixing existing songs is a form of art as well.

Surell · 02-23-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Well, if you consider the 90% of rap out there which samples other songs to scavenge their "beats" art, then I suppose remixing existing songs is a form of art as well.

Are we making knocks at Hip Hop now?

Anteater · 02-23-2009, 10:29 PM

No, I'm just making a point that calling something "art" is rather tenuous when you are using someone else's song as an existing base or hook.

As for Hip-Hop...I'll take The Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, etc, who play and compose their own music with pride, over any of the over-sampled crap that has charted in the last decade in that genre.

Surell · 02-23-2009, 10:31 PM

So painters that take real life objects or photos aren't making art?

lucifer_sam · 02-23-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

No, I'm just making a point that calling something "art" is rather tenuous when you are using someone else's song as an existing base or hook.

As for Hip-Hop...I'll take The Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, etc, who play and compose their own music with pride, over any of the over-sampled crap that has charted in the last decade in that genre.

Ever heard of Jasper Johns? How about Andy Warhol?

There wasn't a cent of originality about those men & they're still some of the most respected artists out there.

Anteater · 02-23-2009, 10:37 PM

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So painters that take real life objects or photos aren't making art?

If I stole your English paper, rearranged a few sentences, slapped my name on it, turned it in, and it got accepted without any qualms...does that truthfully make it my paper even when everyone else has no problem with it?

And Sam, I think something like that speaks volumes about how little historians care about which came from what rather than whether or not their lack of originality is something to be respected.

Surell · 02-23-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If I stole your English paper, rearranged a few sentences, slapped my name on it, turned it in, and it got accepted without any qualms...does that truthfully make it my paper even when everyone else has no problem with it?

That doesn't answer my question, but no. That's not what sampling artists do though. They use another musical piece and make it their own by inserting it into the song to make their own music. They usually won't straight off sample the whole song, unless they're Apathy. Plus they have to give credit to the artists who they sampled.

Basically, what Sam said. I almost used Warhol too.

cardboard adolescent · 02-23-2009, 10:54 PM

economize on the abyss: not only save oneself from falling into the bottomless depths by weaving and folding back the cloth to infinity, textual art of the reprise, multiplication of patches within patches, but also establish the laws of reappropriation, formalize the rules which constrain the logic of the abyss and which shuttle between the economic and the aneconomic, the raising and the fall, the abyssal operation which can only work toward the raising and that in it which regularly reproduces collapse

Anteater · 02-23-2009, 10:57 PM

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economize on the abyss: not only save oneself from falling into the bottomless depths by weaving and folding back the cloth to infinity, textual art of the reprise, multiplication of patches within patches, but also establish the laws of reappropriation, formalize the rules which constrain the logic of the abyss and which shuttle between the economic and the aneconomic, the raising and the fall, the abyssal operation which can only work toward the raising and that in it which regularly reproduces collapse

Uh.................looks like someone ordered the wrong mushrooms on their Domino's order??

Surell · 02-23-2009, 10:58 PM

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02-23-2009, 10:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	economize on the abyss: not only save oneself from falling into the bottomless depths by weaving and folding back the cloth to infinity, textual art of the reprise, multiplication of patches within patches, but also establish the laws of reappropriation, formalize the rules which constrain the logic of the abyss and which shuttle between the economic and the aneconomic, the raising and the fall, the abyssal operation which can only work toward the raising and that in it which regularly reproduces collapse