Personally, I like prog in theory but in practice I have a hard time getting into it. I'm definitely very attracted to the idea of complex, layered rock with unusual song structures and unusual instrumentation. I love music that takes me on a trip mentally so it seems like something that would be perfect for me, but I struggle with the way prog is executed. Most of the time vocals and the style of guitar playing in particular just don't work for me.

And I think this is where you do yourself a huge disservice. You're missing out on a whole range of different stuff just because of one prejudice.

The reason why I enjoy post punk is because there is no boundaries with it. I think you're looking at it with a far too narrow viewpoint. The whole 'punk' thing in post punk is just one narrow aspect of it which you seemed to have grasped onto as being the most important.

Some of the stuff I have heard under the post punk banner, the actual links to punk itself are tenuous at best. I've heard Jazz albums , Prog albums , Electronica albums , Guitar rock albums , Psychedelia albums, Pop albums , Noise albums and all other sorts of stuff. And just because there may be a tiny punk influence or because they were released in the late 70s / early 80s they get the post punk label. Seriously , go listen to something like the Cardiacs 'A Little Man And a House' album or 'Iron Path' by Last Exit or Born Sandy Devotional by The Triffids & then tell me these are boring albums. Three albums under the same 'Post Punk' banner which sound nothing alike. and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If you think it's all about angular guitars & shouty monotone vocal delivery that inspired a couple of 90s indie bands you are missing out on a hell of a lot of stuff.

*takes notes*

Actually, let me rephrase what I said, which I admit was a rather silly remark not meant to be taken too seriously, I do have a tendency towards hyperbole.

The idea of making punk rock into something more artistically credible and challenging is of course a great concept. And I don't dislike post punk so much as the influence it has had on countless lo fi Fall and Joy Division ripoff bands.

I don't hate any of the post punk bands (except maybe Jesus & Mary Chain, if they count as post punk), I like Joy Division, Wire and Gang of Four. The Fall I don't really care for or have much of an opinion about, Public Image Ltd are hit and miss from what I've heard, they do have some good stuff. Ecco & The Bunnymen? Eh I've only heard a few songs but they didn't really catch my interest. Same goes for Killing Joke.

Of the goth rock variety, I like The Cure, and what few Siouxie and The Banshees songs I've heard, haven't heard any Bauhaus.

Rather my criticism towards post punk is more directed to the awful post-punk revival we have right now. I really really hate Interpol.

JAMC are great.

I have to agree with everyone on this one. all though not everything is good, wel actually all this new wrap and pop garbage pisses me off, but there will never be to much music

Oh yes don't take my journals advice re: LE, take Urban's though :mad: :p:

Never ever thought of Last Exit as post-punk... But of course I've never delved into the genre so I don't know what it entails.

*goes and looks for that review*

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