Does anyone agreee that there is too much music out there? (indie, metal)

The Music Watchtower · 03-29-2009, 08:52 AM

Hi All,

It is hard to get close to good music unless you are very lucky. You can spend hours, days, weeks or even years getting through everyone's myspace or social networking site and not find much or more of the same.

The thing is that the whole industry is money driven, more so than ever and I feel that it clouds the vision of lots of producers, writers, bands and performers. If you get signed and your music is not commercial enough, big labes want to change it.

All these X Factor type programs don't help either. The public get sucked into the opinions of producers of the same kinds/style and they end up liking what the winner produces. In my humble opinion, not good.

Please someone tell me I'm wrong and why...

Blue · 03-29-2009, 09:21 AM

You just have to know where to look. There's never too much music out there. The more the better, because that means there's a greater chance of something coming along that you'll enjoy. I guess I personally don't scroll through myspace and other places were commercialism dominates the music.

Zarko · 03-29-2009, 09:35 AM

You're wrong...

1) If there was LESS music than in all likelihood a greater % of the total value would be made up of the 'commercial, dollar driven pop bands' that "rule" our airwaves.

2) Find 5-7 good blogs that get updated daily, bookmark em, and in all likelihood you will keep on finding more and more quality music.

If you don't bother and bitch about all the crap, you aren't looking hard enough.

And I agree, the whole industry is money driven... Even those small bands you think are 'sick and totally indie', they're just dying for their music to make some dosh

.

3) We have one of these fuggin' threads ever 2 weeks...

333 · 03-29-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Music Watchtower

Hi All,

It is hard to get close to good music unless you are very lucky. You can spend hours, days, weeks or even years getting through everyone's myspace or social networking site and not find much or more of the same.

The thing is that the whole industry is money driven, more so than ever and I feel that it clouds the vision of lots of producers, writers, bands and performers. If you get signed and your music is not commercial enough, big labes want to change it.

All these X Factor type programs don't help either. The public get sucked into the opinions of producers of the same kinds/style and they end up liking what the winner produces. In my humble opinion, not good.

Please someone tell me I'm wrong and why...

I disagree with you:

There will never be too much music, for it might damn well be one of the huge and crucial elements to the next evolution, my friend. Sure, the music industry is waist-deep in creeps that are trying to SELL SELL SELL. This, in no way, should keep the a truly passionate listener from finding what he really likes. I agree with blue - you have to know where to look, and just from being here (MB) for a few days, I can already tell you this is more than a legit place to find good music. Why? Because a lot of these individuals here actually care and take pride in what they listen to. Some of these guys (and girls) are just straight up music fiends who are not only open to all types of music but to sharing it with strangers and cheeeeeses christ, I've not seen something more beautiful in ages.

With that being said, now is a good time to face my hopeless addiction to MB. Hi, my name is Cathy and I'm addicted to music.

Getting back on topic, we mildly dabbled on the topic of money corrupting musicians in the Rock/Metal forum and mr. dave proved a great point: just because a musician is rewarded with money (in some cases), does not discredit him as a talented musician. We all dog on the ones that "sell-out", but honestly, don't you want that for a band you really dig to sell albums? In SOME cases, won't this mean more money to future albums by a band you love? Let's be real though - in most cases, the ones who really do sell out don't deserve a goddamn bit of it and the ones who truly work hard for music's sake, get meteoric, superficial reviews in yet another ****ty mag.

Albeit this unavoidable corruption in the music industry today, we can't let the mainstreamers take over (and in my opinion, we have not). Those of us who have a truly deep connection with music are way too ****ing strong to let Nickleback and the goddamned Jonas Brothers keep us from finding music that makes a difference. Lastly, if you're looking for some good tunes, browse around MB. I guarantee you'll find it.

Roygbiv · 03-29-2009, 11:41 AM

Of course the industry is money driven. You'd be naive to want anything out of this industry or any other.

Silly rabbit.

But that doesn't mean there ain't quality music.

Here's how you find quality music: start with the 33 1/3 books. That series is fantastic. They're books about seminal albums that came out before the new millenium. You'll definitely find some gems that will get you caught up in the culture.

Wikipedia is also great. Search for an album you're familiar with and see who's rating them, visit their websites and read more reviews.

Pitchfork.com is the most popular source for independent music, but there's also PopMatters, AbsolutePunk, Stylus.

Also, get a last.fm account.

You're just not looking hard enough.

kniff0311 · 03-29-2009, 11:57 AM

too much music, hell no. it is always good to have variety in all things. it is exceptionally true in music because people can always introduce you to something new.

jackhammer · 03-29-2009, 12:36 PM

Well im still discovering new music nearly everyday @37 then you have definitely got no excuse to hear new stuff.

Antonio · 03-29-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 333

I disagree with you:

There will never be too much music, for it might damn well be one of the huge and crucial elements to the next evolution, my friend. Sure, the music industry is waist-deep in creeps that are trying to SELL SELL SELL. This, in no way, should keep the a truly passionate listener from finding what he really likes. I agree with blue - you have to know where to look, and just from being here (MB) for a few days, I can already tell you this is more than a legit place to find good music. Why? Because a lot of these individuals here actually care and take pride in what they listen to. Some of these guys (and girls) are just straight up music fiends who are not only open to all types of music but to sharing it with strangers and cheeeeeses christ, I've not seen something more beautiful in ages.

With that being said, now is a good time to face my hopeless addiction to MB. Hi, my name is Cathy and I'm addicted to music.

Getting back on topic, we mildly dabbled on the topic of money corrupting musicians in the Rock/Metal forum and mr. dave proved a great point: just because a musician is rewarded with money (in some cases), does not discredit him as a talented musician. We all dog on the ones that "sell-out", but honestly, don't you want that for a band you really dig to sell albums? In SOME cases, won't this mean more money to future albums by a band you love? Let's be real though - in most cases, the ones who really do sell out don't deserve a goddamn bit of it and the ones who truly work hard for music's sake, get meteoric, superficial reviews in yet another ****ty mag.

Albeit this unavoidable corruption in the music industry today, we can't let the mainstreamers take over (and in my opinion, we have not). Those of us who have a truly deep connection with music are way too ****ing strong to let Nickleback and the goddamned Jonas Brothers keep us from finding music that makes a difference. Lastly, if you're looking for some good tunes, browse around MB. I guarantee you'll find it.

i cannot agree with this post any more than i can now

Piss Me Off · 03-29-2009, 12:51 PM

I agree in that there's too much stuff that i want to hear. That's not musics fault though

The Music Watchtower · 03-30-2009, 05:40 AM

Thanks for all you comments...

Now for a little bit from where I'm coming from.

The real question I asked the question was, 'is there too much music out there?' so it is great that you all feel that there is not, otherwise I would not be doing what I'm doing. (I'm a full time musician, teacher, promoter, producer and recording engineer.)

There is no way that I would ever say that a musician or band should not be able to make a living from their art, but nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that the mass market crap has such a vast scale of influence, as it is shoved down the throats of most young people, who a lot of end up believing that what the commercial radios play is where it is at as they get older. Now most internet users know that the internet is full of alt places hosting great music.

One of you spoke of another music revolution, I think this worldwide recession has to get a lot worse before people start taking a closer look at what the cold hard facts of life are. But, I certainly welcome a change of one kind or another. The one thing that is really bothering me is that music is becoming more and more life fast food restaurants chains, mass produced and tasteless....

03-29-2009, 08:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
The Music Watchtower Groupie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 13	Does anyone agreee that there is too much music out there? Hi All, It is hard to get close to good music unless you are very lucky. You can spend hours, days, weeks or even years getting through everyone's myspace or social networking site and not find much or more of the same. The thing is that the whole industry is money driven, more so than ever and I feel that it clouds the vision of lots of producers, writers, bands and performers. If you get signed and your music is not commercial enough, big labes want to change it. All these X Factor type programs don't help either. The public get sucked into the opinions of producers of the same kinds/style and they end up liking what the winner produces. In my humble opinion, not good. Please someone tell me I'm wrong and why...

03-29-2009, 11:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Roygbiv marquee moon Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 759	Of course the industry is money driven. You'd be naive to want anything out of this industry or any other. Silly rabbit. But that doesn't mean there ain't quality music. Here's how you find quality music: start with the 33 1/3 books. That series is fantastic. They're books about seminal albums that came out before the new millenium. You'll definitely find some gems that will get you caught up in the culture. Wikipedia is also great. Search for an album you're familiar with and see who's rating them, visit their websites and read more reviews. Pitchfork.com is the most popular source for independent music, but there's also PopMatters, AbsolutePunk, Stylus. Also, get a last.fm account. You're just not looking hard enough. __________________ Roygbiv's Review Revue LATEST REVIEW SILENT SHOUT BY THE KNIFE

03-29-2009, 12:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Well im still discovering new music nearly everyday @37 then you have definitely got no excuse to hear new stuff. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-29-2009, 12:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	I agree in that there's too much stuff that i want to hear. That's not musics fault though __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

03-29-2009, 09:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
Blue Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 287	You just have to know where to look. There's never too much music out there. The more the better, because that means there's a greater chance of something coming along that you'll enjoy. I guess I personally don't scroll through myspace and other places were commercialism dominates the music.

03-29-2009, 09:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zarko Barely Disheveled Zombie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1,196	You're wrong... 1) If there was LESS music than in all likelihood a greater % of the total value would be made up of the 'commercial, dollar driven pop bands' that "rule" our airwaves. 2) Find 5-7 good blogs that get updated daily, bookmark em, and in all likelihood you will keep on finding more and more quality music. If you don't bother and bitch about all the crap, you aren't looking hard enough. And I agree, the whole industry is money driven... Even those small bands you think are 'sick and totally indie', they're just dying for their music to make some dosh . 3) We have one of these fuggin' threads ever 2 weeks...

03-29-2009, 11:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
kniff0311 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: mo Posts: 96	too much music, hell no. it is always good to have variety in all things. it is exceptionally true in music because people can always introduce you to something new.

03-30-2009, 05:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
The Music Watchtower Groupie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 13	Thanks for all you comments... Now for a little bit from where I'm coming from. The real question I asked the question was, 'is there too much music out there?' so it is great that you all feel that there is not, otherwise I would not be doing what I'm doing. (I'm a full time musician, teacher, promoter, producer and recording engineer.) There is no way that I would ever say that a musician or band should not be able to make a living from their art, but nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that the mass market crap has such a vast scale of influence, as it is shoved down the throats of most young people, who a lot of end up believing that what the commercial radios play is where it is at as they get older. Now most internet users know that the internet is full of alt places hosting great music. One of you spoke of another music revolution, I think this worldwide recession has to get a lot worse before people start taking a closer look at what the cold hard facts of life are. But, I certainly welcome a change of one kind or another. The one thing that is really bothering me is that music is becoming more and more life fast food restaurants chains, mass produced and tasteless....