Okay whoa whoa hold up now. I DEMAND an explanation.

Boo Boo - I find Boo Boo to be the most frustrating person on here as he clearly does have a lot of interesting things to say about music but he wastes it all on the same handful of bands he was taking about 4 years ago.
Also it's almost like he's afraid to have any of his own opinions on something. Just take a look at any band he likes. All the albums that are considered good HE finds good, all the albums that are considered average HE finds average, all the albums that are considered bad HE finds bad. His taste in music almost comes across like a generic all music guide write up. There's so sentimentality, there are no stories , there are no little personal quirks in his tastes.
And it also seems to me that unless it's technical or commercial he has absolutely no idea what makes a song good, which is why he always does things like run down folk music because they're not great guitarists or great singers, totally missing the point of what folk music actually is.
And let's ignore his idea that emotion in music can't be a factor as to why something is good, possibly the saddest thing I have ever seen any fan of music say.

Bleh. It's wrong to think my tastes haven't changed. I get into different stuff all the time. I just never talk about it.

I usually only talk about my most favorite artists instead of every artist I like. And I also focus my attention on promoting artists that I feel need promotion instead of praising the same artists everyone else is already going on about which is why I don't rave about David Bowie much even though he's one of my favorite artists and I listen to him all the time.

I admit that my tastes are more "safe" than others but to suggest that I only pretend to like what I like is pretty insulting. I DO rate everything based upon how much I like it. If my tastes aren't distinctive or specific enough for you than that's too damn bad. I'm not competing in a "who has the most hip taste" contest.

And to say I only like acclaimed albums and only dislike albums that are not is also very inaccurate. I slam popular and critically acclaimed artists ALL THE TIME. Most of the newer icons that get a lot of critical acclaim like Joanna Newsom and The National I hate with a goddamn passion.

And I've crapped on my share of "classic" albums too, calling Pink Moon a piece of crap and deflating the sacred cow status of albums like Fun House, Tago Mago, Spiderland, Zen Arcade and Blonde on Blonde.

I think Dylan is hellishly overrated. I pretty much think Jesus and Mary Chain were crap and when I said Phil Collins was a better singer than Nick Cave I was serious. Like any normal person I have my controversial opinions I just don't have a LOT of them. I don't TRY to be controversial. In the way that I feel you do sometimes.

If I do like a lot of acclaimed albums it's because I feel that these albums deserve it, I don't like them simply because they are acclaimed because if an album I dislike has a lot of acclaim I will still tear it apart anyway. I just don't dislike a whole lot of music I guess.

Oh yeah, and my favorite genre is the one that critics hate more than Mel Gibson hates Jews. I don't give a f*ck about critics. I think Peter Gabriel has more talent than Dylan could ever hope to have.

What does that mean? Explain that to me.

I didn't know I was supposed to be a storyteller. I come here to discuss my tastes in music not to give some pretentious stories about how stuff "changed my life". That's your job.

Sentimentality annoys me, I hate people who project how "passionate" they are about their music and I find these people pretentious most of the time. Of course I am passionate to the extent that I'm quite defensive about what I like. Yeah I can let it slide if people want to call stuff I like crap as long as it's not just for the sake of bandwagoning.

I know what the point of folk music is and I know what the point of punk is, that doesn't mean I have to like them, but oh wait, I do.

I like folk music, and no not just medieval/prog type stuff, I've been getting into stuff like Bill Fay and Simon Kinn lately. I just dislike certain types of folk, not into stuff like Dylan or the protest song sh*t where the themes are way more important than the music itself and indie folk which is the most boring music ever invented and even you are probably aware of that.

Actually I've never said that. I said that emotion is not something you can measure at all, I hate when people say "this has no emotion" when they have no f*cking way of telling. You cannot "pour" emotion into what are basically just collages of sound. Emotion in music can't be judged or measured because you have no way of telling if the artist is putting "genuine" emotion into it or not.

The only emotion you can measure is the emotional effect the music has on you and I never ever said music can't do that.

OctaneHugo: he/she likes post rock, my favourite genre :D
oh, and he's a fan of the album what burns never returns, so he's automatically cool :)

now, somebody do me!
(ask me if you don't know about my musical tastes, but i think i made it too obvious.)

I missed Janszoon because I have no idea what he likes. He dosn't have a LastFM and honestly I haven't paid enough attention to what he goes on about on the music threads.

wow, why hate on boo boo?
that's kinda mean.

now, why won't somebody hate on my musical tastes already?

I do have a LastFM account actually, I just have to idea how to use it.

What about RYM? You know how to work that? Retard. :p:

Could be because you've only been here a couple weeks and no one knows what you listen to aside from, obviously, Boards of Canada. Look at me, I've been here over three years and apparently people still don't know what I like. :laughing:

Never tried it.

You like Killing Joke.

That I do, my friend. That I do. I like a boatload of other bands too, and I talk about them on here, but I guess it just doesn't stick in the minds of other people.

It's a decent enough site, it's a nice way to rate all of your favourite films and albums. You can make lists and things.

It doesn't serve much of a purpose other than you having your collection all rated, and for other people to have a nosey.

You probably know that already, but still.

Worth making one if you have 2 or 3 days where you've got nothing to do, and you can sit there and rate a load of albums.

Killing Joke stuck out for me because I'm convinced the only people who like them and still post on this forum are Lee, you, Seltzer, and myself.

I was just throwing that out there to show you that some people know what you like.

I have to admit this kind of thing doesn't really appeal to me. I like talking to other people about music, but just sitting around checking off how many stars I think some album deserves sounds incredibly boring to me.

Fair enough, you have safe taste in music. I don't have a problem with that.
But where are the personal reasons for liking stuff?
Don't you have at least one or two bands you want to champion who you always liked who never got the recognition they deserve?


Read the post again I said bands you LIKE, not dislike.



OK quick example. Fly On The Wall is considered one of AC/DC's poorer albums. However it was one of the first I bought and I played it to death.
As a result I still enjoy it & don't consider it to be one of their worst.

Why can't it be your job? what's wrong with a bit of sentimentality?
This whole forum is full of such stories and I think it's one of the most interesting & personal things about this forum that people write about.
Do you not listen to music to suit your moods or your feelings or do you just look at it as something to be analysed in a cold detached way?

So having feelings about something is pretentious now? how sad.


No you like a couple of the more commercially popular artists which you seem to think qualifies you to make statements like the one above.
I saw this coming a mile off ... nice try :D

But that's the point of folk music. That's what it's for, telling stories about everyday life.
What you basically mean is you like a couple of tunes that are pleasing to your ear that just happen to be folk songs, rather than you actually liking folk music itself.

Well I disagree but I'm not dragging this whole thing out again.

fair enough

I didn't realize there were so few of us. At least I'm in good company. :)

It's not hate
He did me so I did him back.

I have no hard feelings towards him.

i know you look like a hairier jackhammer :laughing:

well, i like
battles
tyondai braxton
don caballero
boards of canada
animal collective
these new puritans
hella
maserati
explosions in the sky
NEU!
kraftwerk
tortoise
mogwai
god is an astronaut
and so i watch you from afar
aphex twin

oh, and i'm 14 years old, and from canada, and i hate metal fans.


now, make fun, there's lots to hate.
have fun :)

Dude all I did was call you British. I was being quite restrained but you just f*cking let loose on me man. :(

I like most of those bands actually and I'm a metal fan. So there. :)

Really?

oh, sorry.
i just hate those metal fans that are completely ignorant of any other genre of music. i also hate the ones on youtube who talk like this:
"STOP LISTENING TO THIS CRAP LISTEN TO MOAR METALLICA LOL, GO AWAY HIPSTER POST ROCK SUCKS I H8 YOU MOAR METALLICA! LOOOOL!"
but i assume that they're sad little boys who have nothing to do but to hate on any genre of music but metal.

I see no Jackhammer in your face. None.

So you're basing your entire opinion of metalheads on the comments you read on Youtube?

Anyone else fail to see the logic in this?

"I see no Jackhammer in your face," would make a great tee-shirt. :laughing:

not just youtube, in real life too.
oh and on a lot of forums i'm on.
you can't deny their existence, they're around.
oh, and not all metalheads are bad, some are really cool people, who introduced me to some instrumental metal bands.

I give that idea 4 jackhammers out of 5.

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You need to meet some metal fans with musical knowledge that extends beyond Metallica. Luckily for you there are a bunch on this very site. :)

yeah, this site is actually pretty cool because not many people here are close minded music-wise.

that's why i spend most of my time here. :P

There is this one girl that's close minded music-wise, she said she hated metal fans.

Only because you can't give 5 :D

Who doesn't?

i said not all metal fans

True. Some of them can be the most annoying fans out there, just behind Progressive Rock fans.

I missed every post after the list of bands and your statement about Metal fans, so I'll take your word for it. ;)

With a name like boo boo I can only help but feel mildly offended.

Thanks be to Janszoon and Dr. Seussicide!

I'm just not that good at explaining why I like what I like then. If I seem cold and impenetrable about my music tastes that is because I don't like being too vulnerable and I'm very defensive about it.

I listen to bands that are quite despised. I listen to ELP all the time and that's a band that even the prog community has mixed opinions about these days.

I'd rather listen to Tarkus (never a critically acclaimed album even by ELP standards) than ever try to endure Blonde on Blonde again so I don't think I care THAT much about being hip and with the times.

Oh and I listen to Tales From Topographic Oceans at least once a week. Also not one of the most well liked albums in the world.

Well of course the music I love has a profound effect on me, but I'm not good at describing why that is. Primarly because it's not so much about the lyrics.

Music can fill me with joy, and if I really hate it it can make me angry. I mean there is music that I hate with a burning passion. A lot of modern hardcore music for example, because I hate the concept of just a bunch of whiny suburban kids doing what sounds like every other band and if it was a brilliant formula I wouldn't mind the unoriginality so much, it's all these bands that simply whack away on drums and distorted guitars and scream like they're ODing on testosterone and I'm supposed to forgive the lack of melody and structure because it's all about the "emotion". I find that insulting to actual musicians.

And yes I highly favor actual musicians over kids who just pound away on instruments whining about their problems and how much it sucks to be a white middle class kid in the OC.

But I can and do like music that is neither commercial or technical. Residents being a favorite group of mine.

I'm not saying that, I just hate how some people express it, trying to be all poetic and sh*t. These tend to be the most obnoxious people on forums that I have to deal with.

I did at first but I am getting into more obscure stuff thanks to a friend.

But I value the music. Lyrics are great but I can't enjoy music solely because of the lyrics, if the lyrics is the only good thing about a song I'd rather read them than hear them.

Of course I realise that theres a lot of folk music that is musically interesting, some that I've discovered and a lot that I surely haven't.

I don't know why you are going on about folk this has never been a genre that I completely written off. I don't write off any genre...........

Except emo, screamo and post hardcore. Mainly because it's not music so much as whining.

That's a very condescending an untrue remark. As I've said before I've been getting into psychedelic/avant folk (Simon Kinn, Bill Fay, Tom Rapp) thanks to a friend. I'm also quite into progressive folk like Comus. And also Neil Young and Joni Mitchell.

I quite like appalachian folk/bluegrass and being raised by an old southern woman I've heard my share.

And probably the most obscure records in my collection are albums of Nubian Oud based folk music and Indonesian gamelan music. :laughing:

Oh please elighten me, how do you know that an artist is putting a lot of emotion or if he's really good at faking it?

And how relevant is the amount of passion musicians had during the recording process when regarding the actual product? If I found out that my favorite album was written in a few minutes as an afterthrought while sitting on the john would I think less of it? I don't think I would.

I don't measure emotion by how much someone screams or how "cracked" their voice is or how sloppy they play. I think when an artist invests a lot of care and thought into a product that is an emotional investment of sorts so unlike you I think well produced/well crafted music has had more emotion invested in it than some kids screaming verse/chorus/verse pop songs for 2 minutes.

There are many moments in many prog rock songs that have such gorgeous moments and thrilling climaxes that it bewilders me that people can call it emotionless just because it's not 3 chord punk songs about cumguzzling or whatever.

I'm quite spiteful about how prog rock is treated, I'm not a robot.

Yay, we agree on something. It only took us 5 years. :beer:

wow, i'm guessing that boo boo is controversial.

welcome to the controversy club :wave:

boardsofcanada: A year younger than me and likes more obscure/respected bands than I did at his/her age. Good to see a fellow teenage Canadian on these boards. I like a few of his/her favorite bands (GIAA, EITS, AC is aight) but have either not listened to the others or have a neutral opinion towards them. Also, I enjoy metal so boardsofcanada's taste gets a very large "meh" from me.

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