Downloading your music vs buying your music

TheCunningStunt · 06-27-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

I can't believe some of the complete bullshit I just read in this thread... Especially from you, Heliophobic.

If you think bands are tirelessly touring across the country night after night and working endless hours in a studio to cut their next full length JUST because they like doing it... you need to get your head out of your ass and let it dry off in the real world, because that shit is work. While you're flipping burgers at Wendy's, they don't have time for a job because they're busy making music that YOU love and you're not even attempting to contribute to their ability to stay alive long enough to see some kind of pay-out for their trouble?
Bands can't stay alive without an income. And they can't give you the music you love if that income is in the form of them having normal full time jobs. Their music is their job, whether you twist that little stick up your ass to the left or the right.

I'm not saying that all downloading of music should stop in all forms... But I'm saying we need to use some fucking judgment in this. Yea, your friends send you over some albums you may have not bought in the first place.. no big deal.
But if you head over heels love and get something out of a band and have been forever and you're intentionally skirting the responsibility of paying for the labor that you're benefiting from, then you're fucking your favorite band in the ass. It's not just because YOU'RE doing it, though, but us collectively. All our dicks, together, just so happen to be big enough to do some unrepairable damage...

Make a fucking effort to support the bands who've been supporting you all these years. It's a matter of principle.

Correct. Although, just because it's work, doesn't mean they can't enjoy their work. After all beind adored by thousands/millions is better than sitting at a desk wondering how close it is to 5 o clock.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-27-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Our Heliophobic Sun

No, like I said, I myself am a musician, and I don't let anyone pay for my music. Yet I make enough money, I just don't make money because of the music, I make money with a job. I do spend every free moment I have on music, but my money comes from elsewhere.
There are thousands of bands in the world. Some of these bands limit their albums to 100 or even 14 copies, yet they keep making music, and I think they are more true in their music than many of the big bands and artists.

Music IS my job so quit making a mockery of my profession, hippie. Why should I take something as valuable as music and sideline it? I want to WORK in music and I do WORK in music and I get PAID for WORKING in MUSIC. It's quite simple really, music costs money to make, therefore music costs money to buy. If you are happy with your hobby than you are happy, but I want more than a hobby.

LoathsomePete · 06-27-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

I can't believe some of the complete bullshit I just read in this thread... Especially from you, Heliophobic.

If you think bands are tirelessly touring across the country night after night and working endless hours in a studio to cut their next full length JUST because they like doing it... you need to get your head out of your ass and let it dry off in the real world, because that shit is work. While you're flipping burgers at Wendy's, they don't have time for a job because they're busy making music that YOU love and you're not even attempting to contribute to their ability to stay alive long enough to see some kind of pay-out for their trouble?
Bands can't stay alive without an income. And they can't give you the music you love if that income is in the form of them having normal full time jobs. Their music is their job, whether you twist that little stick up your ass to the left or the right.

I'm not saying that all downloading of music should stop in all forms... But I'm saying we need to use some fucking judgment in this. Yea, your friends send you over some albums you may have not bought in the first place.. no big deal.
But if you head over heels love and get something out of a band and have been forever and you're intentionally skirting the responsibility of paying for the labor that you're benefiting from, then you're fucking your favorite band in the ass. It's not just because YOU'RE doing it, though, but us collectively. All our dicks, together, just so happen to be big enough to do some unrepairable damage...

Make a fucking effort to support the bands who've been supporting you all these years. It's a matter of principle.

You really should do something the field of debate for a career man, you have a very good way with words. It's because of this post that I've decided to start buying more and downloading less. You put it in a way that really spoke with me, so I just want to thank you. I think I'll try and buy at least one physical copy of a CD a week.

Freebase Dali · 06-27-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

You really should do something the field of debate for a career man, you have a very good way with words. It's because of this post that I've decided to start buying more and downloading less. You put it in a way that really spoke with me, so I just want to thank you. I think I'll try and buy at least one physical copy of a CD a week.

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but anyway:
Thanks.

Edit:
I keep forgetting you're the poster formally known as Pobody's Nerfect.

Astronomer · 06-27-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

I can't believe some of the complete bullshit I just read in this thread... Especially from you, Heliophobic.

If you think bands are tirelessly touring across the country night after night and working endless hours in a studio to cut their next full length JUST because they like doing it... you need to get your head out of your ass and let it dry off in the real world, because that shit is work. While you're flipping burgers at Wendy's, they don't have time for a job because they're busy making music that YOU love and you're not even attempting to contribute to their ability to stay alive long enough to see some kind of pay-out for their trouble?
Bands can't stay alive without an income. And they can't give you the music you love if that income is in the form of them having normal full time jobs. Their music is their job, whether you twist that little stick up your ass to the left or the right.

I'm not saying that all downloading of music should stop in all forms... But I'm saying we need to use some fucking judgment in this. Yea, your friends send you over some albums you may have not bought in the first place.. no big deal.
But if you head over heels love and get something out of a band and have been forever and you're intentionally skirting the responsibility of paying for the labor that you're benefiting from, then you're fucking your favorite band in the ass. It's not just because YOU'RE doing it, though, but us collectively. All our dicks, together, just so happen to be big enough to do some unrepairable damage...

Make a fucking effort to support the bands who've been supporting you all these years. It's a matter of principle.

I agree, this is so well put. I'm just an amateur and whenever I've recorded something with my band members it has turned out to be a LOT of work. You think it's just a 24 party? Definitely not. It's hard! I have so much respect for recording musicians. I would hate to put so much work into my music only to have it ripped off.

That being said, usually it's the live shows where most bands make their money. I go to a lot of shows so I think I'm doing my bit to support the bands I love. But I also always buy the real CDs if I'm really into the band.

Freebase Dali · 06-27-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shiseido red

I agree, this is so well put. I'm just an amateur and whenever I've recorded something with my band members it has turned out to be a LOT of work. You think it's just a 24 party? Definitely not. It's hard! I have so much respect for recording musicians. I would hate to put so much work into my music only to have it ripped off.

That being said, usually it's the live shows where most bands make their money. I go to a lot of shows so I think I'm doing my bit to support the bands I love. But I also always buy the real CDs if I'm really into the band.

It's true about touring acts, but touring definitely takes its toll on their personal and family lives, not to mention the physical and mental exhaustion that comes out of it.
It's the other half of their job.
Where some of us love to see them perform, we still have the opportunity to listen to their music when they're not touring. They work hard in either scenario and touring/recording enables the success of both.

I just think we need to use some personal judgment and really ask ourselves if we're contributing. If we can say "yes" in good conscience, then we don't have to blame ourselves.

Freebase Dali · 06-27-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bambr

What the point in buying songs of artists that just have one song that is catchy. I will only buy songs/albums if I love the singer

Buy the MP3.

LoathsomePete · 06-27-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but anyway:
Thanks.

Edit:
I keep forgetting you're the poster formally known as Pobody's Nerfect.

totally not sarcasm, I actually went out today and purchased two of my favourite albums Deliverance by Opeth and Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree. I've decided that every week I will purchase an album I love.

Astronomer · 06-27-2009, 10:27 PM

^ Two awesome albums btw.

Freebase Dali · 06-27-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

totally not sarcasm, I actually went out today and purchased two of my favourite albums Deliverance by Opeth and Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree. I've decided that every week I will purchase an album I love.

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