Pixies Vs. Dinosaur Jr.

boo boo · 07-30-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

i don't like either band, but i can certainly see the appeal to the pastiche songwriting in Sebadoh moreso than Breeders.

and for the record, Barlow actually IS a great bassist (unlike Deal), he and Murph anchor the songs better than anyone else can (see: DJR in the '90s). and even his songwriting has vastly improved in DJR since their early material.

I don't know how you could argue that Deal is not a good bassist unless you want to go by skill, and you don't come off to me as someone who really gives a sh*t about skill.

Deal makes simple but memorable basslines and you really couldn't have The Pixies without them, they're the foundation for a lot of their songs, they often provide the real drive or hooks to their songs.

But not even the best headphones in the world is gonna do you any good in spotting the bass in You're Living All Over Me or Bug, Barlow was a throwaway bassist during his tenure with Dino Jr, plain and simple. They clearly did alright without him, they had at least two more good albums and holy sh*t those had actual basslines. Hmm...

Bass does play a bigger role in Sebadoh and I can agree that technically he is better, but yeah, Sebadoh being the definition of sh*tty lo fi, technical skill isn't doing him the world of good. Overall I consider him to be a very mediocre songwriter, he wrote the two worst songs from YLAOM, seriously, why is this guy so popular?

Saying a disposable, inaudible bassist for a band that during his tenure didn't emphasize bass at all is somehow better than a bassist who provided the hooks for a band that was all about poppy basslines that were to be copied shamelessly by most alt rock bassists for the next 20 years? Yeah, I think you're being heavly influenced by a little thing called fanboism.

lucifer_sam · 07-30-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I don't know how you could argue that Deal is not a good bassist unless you want to go by skill, and you don't come off to me as someone who really gives a sh*t about skill.

Deal makes simple but memorable basslines and you really couldn't have The Pixies without them, they're the foundation for a lot of their songs.

But not even the best headphones in the world is gonna do you any good in spotting the bass in You're Living All Over Me or Bug, it's goddamn impossible and rule number one to being more than a throwaway bassist is being f*cking audible. Dinosaur Jr did alright without barlow, they had at least two more good album and those had actual f*cking basslines.

Bass does play a bigger role in Sebadoh and I can agree that technically he is better, but yeah, Sebadoh being the definition of sh*tty lo fi, technical skill isn't doing him the world of good.

So saying a useless inaudible bassist for a band that never emphasised bass very much is better than a bassist who provided the hooks for a band that was all about basslines? Yeah, I think you're being heavly influenced by a little thing called fanboism. Either that or just very sexist.

you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

far from being inaudible, Barlow's distorted basslines are perhaps the single underlying feature of a DJR song. because there isn't a rhythm guitarist like most bands, the bass has to perform dual roles to allow the characteristic Dinosaur Jr. sound to fill out like it does.

there isn't a disconnect between bass and guitar in DJR like most bands, but that's part of the appeal to the fluidity of the feedback from Mascis' Jazzmaster and the seamless, pulverizing distortion of Barlow's bass. and in reality, Barlow is a prime example of how distortion in bass is used effectively (rather than muddying the guitar parts like most bands who use it improperly).

i'm not going to suggest that Deal isn't a good bassist in her own way; her simple basslines work well in conjunction with the rest of the band. but if you're seriously going to sit there and suggest that i'm somehow in the wrong for preferring Barlow as a bassist in DJR, well, you can get the fuck out of my house.

boo boo · 07-30-2009, 12:42 PM

I guess that's my beef with him, he plays bass like a guitar, rather than like a bass.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-30-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Breeders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebadoh.

I like Deal as a singer and bassist. Can't say the same for Barlow, why is that guy idolized again? He was a completely inaudible bass player on two great Dinosaur Jr albums which he contributed absolutely nothing to, well whoopedy f*cking sh*t.

Dinosaur Jr were awful without Lou Barlow, If you really can't hear a decline in quality from You're Living All Over Me & Bug to something like Without A Sound or Where You Been then I seriously have to wonder what on earth you're listening for when you listen to an album.

IHuman · 07-30-2009, 04:44 PM

[QUOTE=crazymenrunningback;711314]They were both around at the same time, both heavily influential on modern alternative and both kind of nerdy

. Who do you like more. i like pixies more because i am still struggling to find a song i dont enjoy and several other reason.
Vote and explain why you think so.

I like Pixies better on every level. I've not heard much by D.Jr. apart from the Bug album (if that's what it was called) and i respected it but it didn't really affect me much.

Rider of the Storm · 08-09-2009, 01:15 AM

Pixies

+81 · 08-09-2009, 02:00 AM

Dinosaur Jr. no contest.

crazymenrunningback · 08-09-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by +81

Dinosaur Jr. no contest.

if you answer can you explain y

+81 · 08-10-2009, 01:21 AM

Okay. To me, The Pixies have a much greater ratio of filler songs to good ones. Dinosaur Jr. have have had much more of an impact on me. They've written some of my favorite songs/albums. The playing is more inventive and I think they had better ideas than The Pixies. I do like The Pixies though.

desylina · 08-10-2009, 06:54 AM

I likes pixies

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08-09-2009, 01:15 AM	#26 (permalink)
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08-10-2009, 01:21 AM	#29 (permalink)
+81 Rats off to ya! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: House of the Ju-Ju Queen Posts: 1,609	Okay. To me, The Pixies have a much greater ratio of filler songs to good ones. Dinosaur Jr. have have had much more of an impact on me. They've written some of my favorite songs/albums. The playing is more inventive and I think they had better ideas than The Pixies. I do like The Pixies though. Last edited by +81; 08-13-2009 at 03:57 PM.

07-30-2009, 04:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
IHuman Groupie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 42	[QUOTE=crazymenrunningback;711314]They were both around at the same time, both heavily influential on modern alternative and both kind of nerdy . Who do you like more. i like pixies more because i am still struggling to find a song i dont enjoy and several other reason. Vote and explain why you think so. I like Pixies better on every level. I've not heard much by D.Jr. apart from the Bug album (if that's what it was called) and i respected it but it didn't really affect me much.

08-09-2009, 02:00 AM	#27 (permalink)
+81 Rats off to ya! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: House of the Ju-Ju Queen Posts: 1,609	Dinosaur Jr. no contest.

08-10-2009, 06:54 AM	#30 (permalink)
desylina Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indonesia Posts: 69	I likes pixies