*** Shock ... Horror *** (indie, pop, punk, genre, albums)

swim · 06-30-2006, 02:46 PM

I could listen to an album with no drums and be perfectly happy.
I could listen to an album with no vocals and be perfectly happy.
The only person who can do a bareable falceto for the majority of a song is Thom Yorke.
I love atleast part of every genre.
I don't think american indie is boring.
If you sit around all day and only listen to American indie you need to find ears because I'll admit it is rather redundant

boo boo · 06-30-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

And prog is just as much about image as pop-punk is.

Yeah, people only like prog bands because of their image.

You're a moron.

The worst thing about prog has always been it's image, in fact it dosen't have much of a image at all and if it does, it's a totally random and ridiculous one, as examplified above... Progs "image" is one of the main reasons it is so unpopular with the media.... Comparing it to pop punk is ridiculous. Pop punk bands (and punk bands in general) have the entire "we're rebels, we're misfits" image going for them, and kids everywhere eat it up... What does prog have?... A bunch of ugly old farts in halloween costumes?... How is that a marketable image?... Thats the most stupid thing i have ever read from you, and thats saying something.

~~bungalow~~ · 06-30-2006, 03:00 PM

EDIT: You know what? Forget everything I just wrote in this post.
The pictures that you posted speak for themselves.

Prog is just as much about portraying an image as pop/punk/pop-punk/emo/etc..

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-30-2006, 03:05 PM

I think it`s more performance art than image myself.

It`s not like they wear that stuff going down the shops to buy a paper

boo boo · 06-30-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

EDIT: You know what? Forget everything I just wrote in this post.
The pictures that you posted speak for themselves.

Prog is just as much about portraying an image as pop/punk/pop-punk/emo/etc..

Even if the costumes were part of an "image" as you claim... It's still not a marketable image, AT ALL... Thats why you should never EVER compare prog to pop punk.

And the costumes were just thematic illustrations that bands used during live concerts, and they were often connected to the themes and lyrics of the music itself, as a means of performance art like Urban said, Gabriel wore costumes because he played different personas and characters, like Bowie did, but to a greater extreme... ... And so what, prog fans don't give a sh*t about the image, they just like the damn music, and critics just use the image to criticize the music (which has nothing to do with image anyway) when they run out of other valid reasons to criticize it... And it's not like Peter Gabriel actually tries to convince people that he is a flower. Pop punk bands actually use their image to market themselves towards people who think they are something they are not... Which in my opinion, is more pretentious than prog could ever be.

Prog bands don't take themselves anywhere as seriously as critics claim they do, it's just another excuse to bash the genre.

~~bungalow~~ · 06-30-2006, 03:07 PM

You think that Avril Lavingne covers herself in eyeshadow and chains to buy a cup of coffee?
I doubt it.

I also never claimed it was a marketable image, though it has proven effective for people who think that the only good music that has ever been made was created by a band that dresses up like flowers and witches and switch time signatures every three minutes during the course of their hour long songs.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-30-2006, 03:08 PM

Of course she does

she`s PUNK ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

swim · 06-30-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Even if the costumes were part of an "image" as you claim... It's still not a marketable image, AT ALL... Thats why you should never EVER compare prog to pop punk.

And the costumes were just illustrations that bands used during live concerts, as a means of performance art like Urban said... But it's not like Peter Gabriel tries to convince people that he is actually a flower. Pop punk bands use the image to market themselves towards people who think they are something they are not... Which in my opinion, is more pretentious than prog could ever be.

Prog bands don't take themselves anywhere as seriously as critics claim they do, it's just an excuse to bash the genre.

That made me laugh.
But this whole discussion just proves one of my points. People who listen to music based off of the politics are stupid. Prog may be in some shape or form about having a image(I think in prog it's more about having a image rather than fitting in with the image) but the music is better than pop punk so that's all that god damn matters.

boo boo · 06-30-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

I also never claimed it was a marketable image, though it has proven effective for people who think that the only good music that has ever been made was created by a band that dresses up like flowers and witches and switch time signatures every three minutes during the course of their hour long songs.

And who here believes that?

Expletive Deleted · 06-30-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

I don't think american indie is boring.

Who said it was? I don't see how anything as diverse as Indie could ever be boring (American or otherwise).

Marquee Moon may be the better album, but Adventure has Television's best song
Human After All isn't all that repetitive or boring... when it's played live
I don't care what anyone says, "Gravity's Rainbow" is a million times better than "Atlantis To Interzone"
Rufus Wainwright's "Across the Universe" is better than the original
Jose Gonzalez's "Heartbeats" is not

06-30-2006, 02:46 PM	#261 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	I could listen to an album with no drums and be perfectly happy. I could listen to an album with no vocals and be perfectly happy. The only person who can do a bareable falceto for the majority of a song is Thom Yorke. I love atleast part of every genre. I don't think american indie is boring. If you sit around all day and only listen to American indie you need to find ears because I'll admit it is rather redundant __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

06-30-2006, 03:05 PM	#264 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I think it`s more performance art than image myself. It`s not like they wear that stuff going down the shops to buy a paper __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-30-2006, 03:08 PM	#267 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Of course she does she`s PUNK ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-30-2006, 03:00 PM	#263 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,140	EDIT: You know what? Forget everything I just wrote in this post. The pictures that you posted speak for themselves. Prog is just as much about portraying an image as pop/punk/pop-punk/emo/etc..

06-30-2006, 03:07 PM	#266 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,140	You think that Avril Lavingne covers herself in eyeshadow and chains to buy a cup of coffee? I doubt it. I also never claimed it was a marketable image, though it has proven effective for people who think that the only good music that has ever been made was created by a band that dresses up like flowers and witches and switch time signatures every three minutes during the course of their hour long songs.