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Sick of people telling you what to think ?
Bored of people telling you whats good ?
Had enough of people flaming you because you don`t think the same?

Well let it all out here , post any of your opinions that may be consdered 'against the grain' here , be controversial , be bold , don`t let people tell you your opinion is wrong. Stick to your guns & don`t be afraid to rustle a few feathers.

A few of mine that i`ve been shouted at about.....

Pet Sounds is nowhere near the greatest album ever recorded , and apart from Good Vibrations & God Only Knows I have no time for the Beach Boys whatsoever.

Same goes for Sgt Pepper & the Beatles

Around 95% of Bob Dylan`s output is boring rubbish

Pink Floyd have not made anything worth listening to since 1977

Can were better than Pink Floyd anyway

Led Zeppelin are ok for a fun blues based c0ck rock band , but to suggest they`re one of the greatest bands ever is laughable.

The Fall have more talent & creativity than every single american punk band put together.

Nobody gave a crap about Elliot Smith & Jeff Buckley till they kicked the bucket

Note to American indie bands ...Ripping of The Cure , The Smiths , Joy Division , Echo & The Bunnymen & Gang Of Four does not make you 'alternative'

The current crop of British guitar bands ( Futureheads , Razorlight , Libertines , Delays , Bloc Party , Art Brut , 20 20s ) are boring generic crap

Elton John has never contributed anything to music & that includes ****ing Tiny Dancer

Classic rock fans make me want to throw up , really we`ve heard for the last 30 to 40 years how great ledzepbeatlespinkfloydhendrixmorissonectectect are , we don`t really need to hear it AGAIN.

As does anyone who claims to be 'punk rock'

There is no excuse in the world for owning the Stereophonics last album

Billy Corgan should have retired in 1993

American music scene of the last 20 years ...grunge & emo , surely you can do better than that. And while your at it can you stop buying Pearl Jam albums , you just encourage them to make more.

i'll come back later, it's too much to read and i've just opened my eyes

people that tell you to shut up when you have posted your opinion, just f*ck off ok?!

I think of The Used as post hardcore along with other genres. Noone else agrees with me, but so what. Theres too many bloody sub-genres anyway, they may aswel just make up a new genre for each band, the way things are going.

Music sucks.

- if you're gonna bust a nut over nirvana, talk about Bleach. Keep the suicide/murder theories in your pants.
- That's great that you like Dave Matthews Band, really it is. Just don't play that garbage when I'm around.
- Metallica should have retired after Master of Puppets, or even Ride The Lightning. They are the equivalent of Cher in metal history.
- Modest Mouse should have signed a major record deal in 1994, then maybe 'Float On' fanatics would appreciate their "good" work.
- Someone tell me the difference between "Turn on The Bright Lights" and "Antics", and why Interpol became everyones favorite band.
- more on it's way

well....some people are angry......id have to disagree with you urban hatemongers about pretty much everything you said.....but im too lazy

clearly you cant appreciate music and are a very one-minded indvidual

come to think of it.....what do you like?

Congratulations on totally missing the point.

^ hehe, yep

i like franz ferdinand even though my friends say they suck
i love to dress the way i do, even though some people say it's not ok
i'll add some things later

Hardly controversial , that could be any teenager in the world.

haha, wow there's lots to respond to. I'm not even going to touch on the beatles comment because that's already been beaten to death, but i'll coment on a few others.

"Around 95% of Bob Dylan`s output is boring rubbish"

I can see why you wouldn't like the actual music, some people do find it boring, and I'll admit his voice isn't the best. But if you don't see that he is one of the greatest lyricists of all time, then I'll find it really hard to respect your opinion on anything related to music.

"Led Zeppelin are ok for a fun blues based c0ck rock band , but to suggest they`re one of the greatest bands ever is laughable."

That's a pretty bold statement, and with not a lot to back it up. Jimmy Page is arguably one of the BEST guitarists of all time, and if you don't agree, then you don't know much about music. Not only did he have amazing technical ability, he was unbelieveably innovative. The rest of the band are extremely talented. If you can't see that led zeppelin is an amazingly talented band, then you simply don't know music.

all your other points are either dead on, or i have no real problem with.

OK I shall respond to those , as far as Bob Dylan goes I think he`s written some incredible songs , I just happen to think they are few & far between for someone who`s been around for almost 50 years.

I still stick to what I think of Led Zep , Don`t get me wrong I like the band but for someone who had possibly the best drummer & guitarist ever & someone like John Paul Jones who was arguably the most talented in the band as far as musical arranging & the number of instruments he could play , I just think they could have made music that was a lot more groundbreaking & original than what they did.

I wish Led Zeppelin was just a pure Grade A blues band, instead of being considered the pivotal ape in the evolutionary chart of heavy metal. There's no denying the talent, but I hope I never have to hear Stairway to Heaven for the rest of my life.

yeah I can see where you're coming from with dylan, but in his defense he was REALLY hopped up on drugs for the majority of his career, so for him to even be able to sit upright let alone compose and perform music in his state is pretty impressive. As for led zeppelin, I don't think it's really fair to judge a band on how good they SHOULD have been, because that's all speculation, with not a lot to go on. They did come up with some very original stuff, but I'll agree, they were by no means one of the most influential bands in history, far from it. They were an amazing band, and I'd say on of the greatest bands ever, but they definitely weren't hugely influential. Personally, I'd say the Beatles were one of the most influential bands in history, and I know you're going to disagree with me there, but that's old news.

Achillies Last Stand is far superior to Stairway To Heaven

No I totally agree with that. But I think that people put too much emphesis on them that say the Stones. I`d say that the Stones were to rock music what the Beatles were to pop , but because pop is more popular & more mainstream the Beatles get more credit.

I mean what are you more likely to see on a prime time TV show, some winner of some pop idol type show singing Yesterday , or some new rock band doing It`s Only Rock n Roll?

Lyrically, it's up there for sure, but I still like stairway. I think a lot of people have lost appreciating for the song because it's the most commonly known zep song, so a lot of people are tired of hearing it, and don't appreciate it as much as it deserves. As far as the actual musical aspect, it doesn't get better than dazed and confused, especially if you've seen the mind blowing solo on the DVD when page plays the guitar with a violin bow, which was truly epic, really the only word I can find to describe that is epic.

Yeah, but a lot of rock bands drew from the beatles, and not a lot of pop bands drew from the stones. I agree that the stones were a great band, but I don't think they were all that innovative or influential. They didn't contribute anything really new to the music scene, just went on with what other bands had already done, and although they did a good job, I wouldn't go as far as to call them innovative or influential.

I disagree with this , you can see the Stones influence everywhere as far as the look & the attitude goes. Most newer guitar bands that are around today owe a debt to the Stones.

yeah, but I'm talking about just the music, not the look and attitude. If we're talking about that, then yeah, you're right, but that doesn't make them influential MUSICIANS, it just makes them influential performers.

I was just using that as an example , I don`t see how you can say they`re not musically influential. My entire record collection is littered with bands that are hugely influenced by the Stones ranging from the 1970s to the present day. But a lot of these bands never got mainstream recognition, some did but most didn`t. Which brings me back to my original point because pop music is more dominant the Beatles get more credit.

You have a point about pop music being more dominant, but the beatles influenced a HUGE number of bands spanning a lot of genres, not just pop. As well, the stones were really inconsistant, some of their albums were great, and others were horribly produced, just all around bad. Then there's the issue about them hanging on to their last bit of glory for dear life, when they should have retired with dignity YEARS before.

Yeah but I can say that about hundreds of bands & some of them have barely been around a decade yet.

true, but I just don't think that the stones were HUGELY influential, I can see how they were influential, but definitely not any more than the beatles. But having said that, they were an amazing band, and they produced some amazing stuff.

and to start another topic, I don't think there's a single post in this entire thread with more truth to it than this one.

who said it had to be something that would make you be oh, so very surprised? oh, you did? i dunno i haven't read your 10000 pages essay...so you're cooler...so what? you make a thread and i post and you what? "disagree" with what i wanna say? shouldn't this be about what we think without caring about what others think? WELL I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK!! :bonkhead:

talk about others, but you don't see you're the same

hmm i dunno what happened to me when i wrote that, don't take it seriously, ok?

Bleach kicks major ass. Are you kidding me, its the 2nd greatest Nirvana album next to In Utero.

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Nah, I still think Bleach was the best, and in a distant second is Incesticide. Alot of the songs off In Utero are overplayed and stale.

Hmmm I have so many of these:

Dance music is not just for pill poppers, if you're that small minded you can't like rock music and dance music, you don't deserve to have thoughts, same with every genre of music, there is something worth listening to in each one, don't ever dismiss an entire genre

The Mars Volta will never ever be half as good as ATD-I

Hundred Reasons should be put down, as should the singer from Starsailor and many many mainstream indie bands such as Razorlight and the Ordinary Boys

The Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' was NOT the best album ever recorded, far from it

Franz Ferdinand would be so many of our faveourite bands if they hadn't found fame so quickly and we weren't sick of hearing their records

Neil young is miles better than Bob Dylan

^^ Yeah I'd agree Bleach then Incesticide were definelty the best albums, In Utero just wasn't as good, and Nevermind was way too overrated to be able to compare fairly

So true. I wouldnt have even bothered to listen to mars volta if it wasnt for my favoritism towards ATDI. Even Sparta is better than mars volta.

* not every song is about heroin
* hip hop IS music, contrary to the belief of (always) some moronic prepubescent metalhead who judges music by its level of distortion and number of notes played per second rather than style and creativity
* Just because Kurt cobain blew his brains out doesn't make him enigmatic or a genius

Totally, I have a soft spot for Sparta, despite the fact they suffer the same fate. They're just better.

I actually hated them more before everybody started kissing their ass.
Maybe i`m mellowing in my old age, still don`t like them ... I just don`t hate them as much.Maybe because i`ve heard all those other British guitar bands since & now Franz Ferdinand don`t seem as bad.

Basically i think the main thing to mention is that:
Us rockers - just because we dress different or listen to music others wont accept us for because it aint 'cool' like r'n'b, doesn't mean we arn't people, in some (or most cases) better people :banghead:

Same **** different uniform

so what are you a fan of?