Should musicians be on more than 30k a year

mr dave · 03-12-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stormjh

Well the same goes for cars and houses, if they're getting a decent amount of money and blow on anything like that then we shouldn't feel bad for them, it's their own fault.

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loveissucide · 03-12-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stormjh

Well the same goes for cars and houses, if they're getting a decent amount of money and blow on anything like that then we shouldn't feel bad for them, it's their own fault.

So people shouldn't want transport and shelter. I like this bloke.

SATCHMO · 03-12-2010, 03:01 PM

Somehow we're akin to believing that a musician's poor financial decisions are of a different nature, than anyone else who has poor money management skills. There are urban planners that go out and buy sports cars when they don't have the equity to justify such a decision. There are, I'm sure, plumbers with terrible drug habits that naturally skew there fiscal priorities, as an aside it's fairly likely that they both make more than 30k a year. To be blunt, why do we isolate the case of the musician abusing drugs and making poor financial decisions and try to tenuously relate it to their chosen profession? the music industry and the lifestyle of what I'll loosely refer to as a 'rock star' with replete is pitfalls and dangers, but on the other hand, so is life. The question is "why doesn't a professional musician, specifically, deserve to be paid what he/she's worth?". The answer is they do deserve to be paid the value of their product, and more often than not, they aren't.

stormjh · 03-12-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Somehow we're akin to believing that a musician's poor financial decisions are of a different nature, than anyone else who has poor money management skills. There are urban planners that go out and buy sports cars when they don't have the equity to justify such a decision. There are, I'm sure, plumbers with terrible drug habits that naturally skew there fiscal priorities, as an aside it's fairly likely that they both make more than 30k a year. To be blunt, why do we isolate the case of the musician abusing drugs and making poor financial decisions and try to tenuously relate it to their chosen profession?

And they shouldn't have any sympathy either.

I was only commenting on everyone posting making it sound like we should feel bad for broke musicians who spent all their money on drugs.

Engine · 03-12-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stormjh

I was only commenting on everyone posting making it sound like we should feel bad for broke musicians who spent all their money on drugs.

I hope you didn't sense sympathy out of my post about Megadeth being huge rock stars who were in debt and hopelessly addicted to drugs. That's not the point at all. C'mon, keep up - nobody is talking about sympathy but you.

channel_islands_surf · 03-13-2010, 06:03 AM

Capping people's money? The government shouldn't be deciding how much people can make. This is America bud, we were built on oppurtunity and freedom. If you want the government telling everybody how to spend their money, move to Europe.

**Janszoon** · 03-13-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

Capping people's money? The government shouldn't be deciding how much people can make. This is America bud, we were built on oppurtunity and freedom. If you want the government telling everybody how to spend their money, move to Europe.

Actually "this" isn't America, it's the internet, and it's inhabited by people from all over the world.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-13-2010, 07:43 AM

Why would you move to Europe for that when it's predominately capitalist?

You know I actually feel sorry for some of the American members of the boards having the rest of the world think you're as un-educated & ill informed as this person seems to be.

channel_islands_surf · 03-13-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Why would you move to Europe for that when it's predominately capitalist?

You know I actually feel sorry for some of the American members of the boards having the rest of the world think you're as un-educated & ill informed as this person seems to be.

Well, I was taught by your generation bro! If you really want to go there, blame the kids. But your generation (of Americans, obviously you're not one) made it illegal to smack kids in school, made Child Protective Services, and all that "good" stuff. Now parents can't even discipline their kids without worrying about the neighbor ratting them out. Don't get me wrong, I support CPS... I just don't support the way they do business... taking calls from some anonymous schmuck down the street and the screws come knockin'! My dad was in the military, so he yelled a lot, and we had a few visits from those kiddie cops.

Anyway, I think everybody knows Europeans can't get rich as easily as they can in America. Sweden's taxes are like 80 something percent. Why should the government get to decide how much someone can make?

loveissucide · 03-13-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

Well, I was taught by your generation bro! If you really want to go there, blame the kids. But your generation (of Americans, obviously you're not one) made it illegal to smack kids in school, made Child Protective Services, and all that "good" stuff. Now parents can't even discipline their kids without worrying about the neighbor ratting them out.

Anyway, I think everybody knows Europeans can't get rich as easily as they can in America. Sweden's taxes are like 80 something percent. Why should the government get to decide how much someone can make?

Because the state provides the necessary educational, infrastructural and legal aid for economies to prosper. You'll find that unlike in the US, it is far easier to improve one's lot in life in Sweden,Finland or even Ireland as a result of the state's welfare system creating opportunities.

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SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	Somehow we're akin to believing that a musician's poor financial decisions are of a different nature, than anyone else who has poor money management skills. There are urban planners that go out and buy sports cars when they don't have the equity to justify such a decision. There are, I'm sure, plumbers with terrible drug habits that naturally skew there fiscal priorities, as an aside it's fairly likely that they both make more than 30k a year. To be blunt, why do we isolate the case of the musician abusing drugs and making poor financial decisions and try to tenuously relate it to their chosen profession? the music industry and the lifestyle of what I'll loosely refer to as a 'rock star' with replete is pitfalls and dangers, but on the other hand, so is life. The question is "why doesn't a professional musician, specifically, deserve to be paid what he/she's worth?". The answer is they do deserve to be paid the value of their product, and more often than not, they aren't.

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channel_islands_surf Groupie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 30	Capping people's money? The government shouldn't be deciding how much people can make. This is America bud, we were built on oppurtunity and freedom. If you want the government telling everybody how to spend their money, move to Europe.