Should musicians be on more than 30k a year

lieasleep · 03-15-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

Then go down to your local garage, and listen to your precious artists. But if you really think making money takes peoples authenticity away, my guess is you've never really been around these people. I'm not going to say who, but I'm related to someone pretty famous. Their personality doesn't change, but when cameras are flashing in your face, are you seriously telling me you'd be all cool and sign autographs like nothing's going on?

authenticity in their MUSIC, remember this is MUSIC banter not The View

Since the rest is just bull I will respond to the one sentence you had in there about music: ok I will go down to my local garage and listen to my precious artists, cause they are awesome!

mr dave · 03-15-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I'd personally be ok with putting some kind of limit on the salary people can make in the entertainment industry, as long as it's reasonable and fair to everyone.

so would you be fine with listening to a 52 minute piece of music that stops after 44 minutes because that a reasonable and fair album length to everyone?

channel_islands_surf · 03-15-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lieasleep

authenticity in their MUSIC, remember this is MUSIC banter not The View

Since the rest is just bull I will respond to the one sentence you had in there about music: ok I will go down to my local garage and listen to my precious artists, cause they are awesome!

I don't know about you, but I'd be more motivated to make something authentic if a big wad of cash was being held in front of my face. Money is motivation.

Stars need bodyguards, managers etc etc. Celebs are good and surprisingly large sources for jobs. You ever been to LA?

~~Flower Child~~ · 03-16-2010, 06:43 PM

Yeah musicians make way too much-
but thats capitalism, get over it.

It all comes down to supply and demand. Theres a ton of demand in the music industry, therefore a ton of money floating around in it. I myself will pay a pretty penny to go see Willie Nelson in concert. You know why? He's the only one who can do what he does. Like most successful musicians he has his own unique talents exclusive to him. Since there is only one of him he is in low supply, people like his unique talents therefore he is in high demand. That equals lots of money.

A lot of you guys are saying musicians do work really hard and their equipment costs a lot and they deserve it.
Meh.
A coal miner works really fucking hard.
But do they make as much as Willie Nelson? No. Because anybody can be a coal miner. Not everybody can be Willie Nelson.

mr dave · 03-16-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flower Child

A lot of you guys are saying musicians do work really hard and their equipment costs a lot and they deserve it.
Meh.
A coal miner works really fucking hard.
But do they make as much as Willie Nelson? No. Because anybody can be a coal miner. Not everybody can be Willie Nelson.

and how many people work in that coal mine then go home to the Martin guitar they scrimped and saved up the 2+ grand for so they can sit on their couch and play just as well as old Willie to absolutely no recognition whatsoever?

i think a lot of people forget that THE AVERAGE MUSICIAN STILL WORKS A DAY JOB FOR A PAYCHECK. those who play music for a living are exceptions, those who make millions for playing are exceptions to the exceptions.

there is talent in being able to appeal to the lowest common denominator without being obvious about it. there is talent in being able to navigate the bureaucracy of major media corporations. right / wrong / good / bad are all completely and utterly irrelevant in this case. fact remains some people will pay for the production over the performance and that's entirely their prerogative.

really though, if it were impossible for a band like U2 to become million dollar superstars how many labels would take chances on other unproven rock bands? how much revenue would the labels have in order to take risks on unproven talent if they didn't have cash cows like Madonna at the top filling their coffers?

~~Flower Child~~ · 03-16-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

and how many people work in that coal mine then go home to the Martin guitar they scrimped and saved up the 2+ grand for so they can sit on their couch and play just as well as old Willie to absolutely no recognition whatsoever?

i think a lot of people forget that THE AVERAGE MUSICIAN STILL WORKS A DAY JOB FOR A PAYCHECK. those who play music for a living are exceptions, those who make millions for playing are exceptions to the exceptions.

there is talent in being able to appeal to the lowest common denominator without being obvious about it. there is talent in being able to navigate the bureaucracy of major media corporations. right / wrong / good / bad are all completely and utterly irrelevant in this case. fact remains some people will pay for the production over the performance and that's entirely their prerogative.

really though, if it were impossible for a band like U2 to become million dollar superstars how many labels would take chances on other unproven rock bands? how much revenue would the labels have in order to take risks on unproven talent if they didn't have cash cows like Madonna at the top filling their coffers?

No I haven't forgot.

As far as I'm concerned it is part of the job to market yourself, get yourself out there, and make the connections. Thats part of the work (if you want to make money at it anyway), and anyone planning to be a musician should realize that making music is half of the work and marketing themselves is the other half. So if that coal miner goes home sits on his couch and plays Free Bird with his ****ing teeth, he shouldn't expect to make anything if he doesn't try to market himself. How is he supposed to get recognition by sitting on his couch anyway?

Music is an art and thats how all art is.
Take photography for example. I can take the worlds greatest ****ing photo, but if just lay it on the couch and a handful of people walk by and see it, do you think I will make any money off of it? Absolutely not. It doesn't matter how great it is, if I don't market it properly I don't make any money. And thats my own fault. Again, if you want to make money, half of it is taking the photo, half of it is marketing. To the people who don't take that extra step and don't make anything, thats their fault. Its just part of the job.

Why are you making excuses for this?

channel_islands_surf · 03-16-2010, 08:07 PM

You can't cap peoples money like that. That's bull****. This is America. The land of opportunity, start capping people's money and Hollywood will die, the entertainment industry will die (again, the money goes back to jobs).

**Janszoon** · 03-16-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

You can't cap peoples money like that. That's bull****. This is America. The land of opportunity, start capping people's money and Hollywood will die, the entertainment industry will die (again, the money goes back to jobs).

Again, "this" is not America. This is the internet. People from all around the world are present here. How hard is it for you to understand this concept?

mr dave · 03-17-2010, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Flower Child

Why are you making excuses for this?

i'm not making excuses for anything.

your comment about the miners and Willie Nelson made it seem that the only reason Willie makes the big bucks is because of his name and not his tireless work ethic.

unless i'm really sucking at interpreting what you mean by this line in particular.

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Originally Posted by Flower Child

A lot of you guys are saying musicians do work really hard and their equipment costs a lot and they deserve it.
Meh.

i really hope you live in an incredibly talented area because if more people adopt that attitude there won't be many tours for much longer.

boo boo · 03-17-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

so would you be fine with listening to a 52 minute piece of music that stops after 44 minutes because that a reasonable and fair album length to everyone?

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I honestly have no f*cking clue what kind of point you're trying to make here because that comparison makes no logical sense.

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~~Flower Child~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: classified Posts: 639	Yeah musicians make way too much- but thats capitalism, get over it. It all comes down to supply and demand. Theres a ton of demand in the music industry, therefore a ton of money floating around in it. I myself will pay a pretty penny to go see Willie Nelson in concert. You know why? He's the only one who can do what he does. Like most successful musicians he has his own unique talents exclusive to him. Since there is only one of him he is in low supply, people like his unique talents therefore he is in high demand. That equals lots of money. A lot of you guys are saying musicians do work really hard and their equipment costs a lot and they deserve it. Meh. A coal miner works really fucking hard. But do they make as much as Willie Nelson? No. Because anybody can be a coal miner. Not everybody can be Willie Nelson.