The New American Songbook.

Violent & Funky · 05-20-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Anything since 1970. Yes. It also have to be able to translate into differnt styles, I'm a little curious about V&F's suggestion of 7 nation army.

YouTube is littered with 'Seven Nation Army' covers. You should check some of them out.

mr dave · 05-24-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

just refering to catalogs? What?

like - everything by Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen. yeah i understand their significance but they do have standouts.

also it's just shy of 1970 but seriously - Castles Made of Sand.

TheBig3 · 05-25-2010, 08:16 AM

What I'm saying is, where did you get the idea I suggest cataloges? I'm talking song specific choices here.

mr dave · 05-25-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

What I'm saying is, where did you get the idea I suggest cataloges? I'm talking song specific choices here.

i know you did, the person who posted about Springsteen's catalog obviously did not.

as for V&F and the Nirvana thing, i definitely thought about SLTS, but at the same time i don't think the lyrics are really as timeless as those for Lithium. i understand the social significance of SLTS will outweigh everything else in their catalog combined but to me a song about self-acceptance is far more substantial and seems like it would be easier for future generations to grasp rather than a rallying cry for what will be a bygone era.

Necromancer · 05-25-2010, 06:26 PM

Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie
Rounabout - Yes
Wont get fooled again - The Who
Gimme Shelter - The Rolling Stones (I cheated, from 1969)
These are a few of my personal picks, there are just to many to name..lol,
There not all american, but what the hell, its all the same isnt it.

TheBig3 · 05-25-2010, 08:08 PM

Before Mr. Dave disowns me

Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge over troubled water

One standard that continues to crop up year after year. Its hard to move away from Simon's arrangement on this one as its bare-bones harmonics know how to get out of the way, but however its being down, it brilliant.

Tom Waits - Diamonds & Gold

I chose this one because I feel that its one that paints a scene and people inject their own direction with it. Not the biggest hit, on the biggest album. But this one should hold on just fine against time.

Bruce Springsteen - 4th of July, Asbury Park

Bruce paints a picture of youth, a decidedly 70's youth, but he captures in that time some lasting emotions.

"And me I just got tired of hangin' in them dusty arcades, bangin' them pleasure machines. Chasin' the factory girls underneath the boardwalk where they all promise to unsnap their jeans. And you know that tilt-a-whirl down on the south beach drag
I got on her last night and my shirt got caught. And they kept me spinnin' baby, they didn't think I'd ever get off."

Tracy Chapman - Telling Stories

For anyone who's ever been burned in love by a fraud. This one will always speak to a scarred heart.

Sufjan Stevens - John Wayne Gacy, Jr.

I think this one will get better with age. Its not that its a lyrical masterpiece, but when the specter of Gacy is gone, and it seems like he's just painted a monster, this song will carry a weight comprable to the fat **** himself.

Warren Zevon - My Ride's Here

This is a masterpiece like no other. Its stunning what he did lyrically, and for a real tribute, check out the Bosses version done 3 days after Zevon caught his final lift.

White Stripes - Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground

I'm fairly certain that no ones going to cover this one note for note, but Jack Whites real strength on this one comes from the lyrical testimony.

Ryan Adams - Oh my Sweet Carolina

Adams is a hell of a S/S but this one makes him something of a novelist. A great American story.

Norah Jones - Back to Manhattan

Jones tends to be a little less direct, and a lot closer to the original Songbook than any peer, but on this one she seems a little more personal.

Iron & Wine - Trapeze Swinger

One of the best songs to come from the last decade. An epic masterwork that's as sprawling as his graffiti covered gates of Heaven.

Langhorne Slim - Sunday by the sea

Not the biggest S/S out there, and this may not be the most stunning piece, but simplicity is a hallmark of good writers, and Slim nails it.

John Prine - Sam Stone

No fan of Prine, but Laura Cantrell proves that good writing transcends. The sorrow will drag you as deep as Stone himself.

Leslie Bricusse and Anthony Newley - Pure Imagination

Nothing much to say about this one. Wonderful.

Rickenbacker · 05-25-2010, 08:54 PM

OutKast - Hey Ya! - 2003

Much like Prince before them, OutKast have in Hey Ya! a crossover masterpiece that not only defines a generation, but has shaped one as well.

R.E.M. - Losing My Religion - 1991

Unjustly overlooked in the light of Nirvana's breakthrough "Smells Like Teen Spirit", R.E.M.'s earlier mainstream hit is both iconic and infinitely relatable to the male psyche. Timeless.

The Velvet Underground - Sweet Jane - 1970

"Sweet Jane" is one of the most poignant cultural portraits of all time, written by perhaps the most honest musical figurehead of his time, Lou Reed.

all for now

captaincaptain · 05-25-2010, 10:42 PM

Steve Goodman - City Of New Orleans

John Denver - Take Me Home, Country Roads

Two perfect additions to the American Songbook

mr dave · 05-26-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Before Mr. Dave disowns me

thanks

as for my own i'm going to trim my initial considerations.

RHCP - Under the Bridge - while it may not have been covered all over the place yet i do believe it could have the longevity. especially as we move towards a more urbanized society and distance ourselves more and more from ourselves.

Smashing Pumpkins - Disarm - a classic musing about being forced to grow old before one is ready. again with the way the world seems to be going it becomes a more and more common theme in many peoples lives.

Jane's Addiction - Jane Says - she's never been in love, she don't know what love is, she only knows when someone wants her.... if you can't relate i wonder if you've ever really met another person before.

QOTSA - Go with the Flow - while the pummeling rhythm the Queens perform this with definitely adds to the impact of the song it's the lyrics that really make it substantial, it could easily be stripped down to an acoustic with a voice and the emotion wouldn't change you're still left wondering about the one that got away while looking out for the one around the corner.

05-25-2010, 08:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	What I'm saying is, where did you get the idea I suggest cataloges? I'm talking song specific choices here. __________________ I've moved to a new address

05-25-2010, 06:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	1970s & on Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie Rounabout - Yes Wont get fooled again - The Who Gimme Shelter - The Rolling Stones (I cheated, from 1969) These are a few of my personal picks, there are just to many to name..lol, There not all american, but what the hell, its all the same isnt it.

05-25-2010, 08:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Before Mr. Dave disowns me Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge over troubled water One standard that continues to crop up year after year. Its hard to move away from Simon's arrangement on this one as its bare-bones harmonics know how to get out of the way, but however its being down, it brilliant. Tom Waits - Diamonds & Gold I chose this one because I feel that its one that paints a scene and people inject their own direction with it. Not the biggest hit, on the biggest album. But this one should hold on just fine against time. Bruce Springsteen - 4th of July, Asbury Park Bruce paints a picture of youth, a decidedly 70's youth, but he captures in that time some lasting emotions. "And me I just got tired of hangin' in them dusty arcades, bangin' them pleasure machines. Chasin' the factory girls underneath the boardwalk where they all promise to unsnap their jeans. And you know that tilt-a-whirl down on the south beach drag I got on her last night and my shirt got caught. And they kept me spinnin' baby, they didn't think I'd ever get off." Tracy Chapman - Telling Stories For anyone who's ever been burned in love by a fraud. This one will always speak to a scarred heart. Sufjan Stevens - John Wayne Gacy, Jr. I think this one will get better with age. Its not that its a lyrical masterpiece, but when the specter of Gacy is gone, and it seems like he's just painted a monster, this song will carry a weight comprable to the fat ** himself. Warren Zevon - My Ride's Here This is a masterpiece like no other. Its stunning what he did lyrically, and for a real tribute, check out the Bosses version done 3 days after Zevon caught his final lift. White Stripes - Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground I'm fairly certain that no ones going to cover this one note for note, but Jack Whites real strength on this one comes from the lyrical testimony. Ryan Adams - Oh my Sweet Carolina Adams is a hell of a S/S but this one makes him something of a novelist. A great American story. Norah Jones - Back to Manhattan Jones tends to be a little less direct, and a lot closer to the original Songbook than any peer, but on this one she seems a little more personal. Iron & Wine - Trapeze Swinger One of the best songs to come from the last decade. An epic masterwork that's as sprawling as his graffiti covered gates of Heaven. Langhorne Slim - Sunday by the sea Not the biggest S/S out there, and this may not be the most stunning piece, but simplicity is a hallmark of good writers, and Slim nails it. John Prine - Sam Stone No fan of Prine, but Laura Cantrell proves that good writing transcends. The sorrow will drag you as deep as Stone himself. Leslie Bricusse and Anthony Newley - Pure Imagination** Nothing much to say about this one. Wonderful. __________________ I've moved to a new address

05-25-2010, 08:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rickenbacker / Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Conn Posts: 1,338	OutKast - Hey Ya! - 2003 Much like Prince before them, OutKast have in Hey Ya! a crossover masterpiece that not only defines a generation, but has shaped one as well. R.E.M. - Losing My Religion - 1991 Unjustly overlooked in the light of Nirvana's breakthrough "Smells Like Teen Spirit", R.E.M.'s earlier mainstream hit is both iconic and infinitely relatable to the male psyche. Timeless. The Velvet Underground - Sweet Jane - 1970 "Sweet Jane" is one of the most poignant cultural portraits of all time, written by perhaps the most honest musical figurehead of his time, Lou Reed. all for now __________________ last.fm rym Talk About the Passion - R.E.M.'s Discography Reviewed

05-25-2010, 10:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
captaincaptain I Am Become Death Metal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stankonia Posts: 695	Steve Goodman - City Of New Orleans John Denver - Take Me Home, Country Roads Two perfect additions to the American Songbook __________________ LAST.FM RYM