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I dunno guiz, I always thought The Clash were the first post-punk group....
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I`m not sure I would apply post-punk to Television though, as they had different characteristics, such as two guitarists that were superior to your average punk band. The guitar work between Verlaine and Lloyd was pretty intricate and the use of keyboards in the group quite limited compared to what is known as post-punk. I see the first two albums as far more new-wave than punk anyway, and think of Televison far closer to new-wave bands like Talking Heads, Devo and Cars etc than to punk bands like the Sex Pistols, Clash (debatable) Dead Kennedys and Ramones etc. I certainly think Television could be classed as proto punk for their influence on punk but if we`re talking about proto-punk I tend to think even earlier back to Iggy and the Stooges etc. |
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A lot of post-punk bands were influenced by Can and Captain Beefheart, I don't see those artists being called proto-post-punk often. Nor should Television. Television didn't help shape what became known as post-punk any more than The Velvet Underground, Stooges, Can, or any of the first-wave punk bands did. They're a proto punk band, no need for any other silly additions.
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I think there are two kinds of post-punk.
There's post-punk that's heavier, and that borrows more from traditional punk. Then there's post-punk that's a bit lighter, and that borrows more from new wave. I think post-punk is like the bridge over an ocean between two musical continents. By the way, this absurd theory of mine is less absurd than calling someone proto-post-punk. The fuck is that? |
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Unless it's post proto post punk. Which would be?... |
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