The White Stripes

boo boo · 03-28-2007, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I just think it`s a case of metal fans not understanding the concepts of minimalism & feeling.

Thats a bullsh*t word, and you use it way too much.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-28-2007, 03:49 AM

Maybe I like using it

boo boo · 03-28-2007, 03:50 AM

But I just hate it when so many people use it as a criteria. "This band sucks because they have no feeling, this band is amazing because they have so much feeling, etc", to me it's just a useless word with no real meaning or significance, its just something people like to use to defend their questionable points of view.

Not to say a musician can't pour their emotion into the music, but whats the criteria for feeling? How do you rate it and measure it accurately? How do you judge and decide what is "true" feeling and what is just pretentious bibble babble? How do sense it? How can you be even remotely objective about it?

Be truthful, you can't say you know which bands use "real" emotion and which ones don't, you can't read their minds, you can't see into their hearts. Hell, maybe I was wrong before, maybe Dream Theater DO put more emotion into their music than The Ramones. Who's to say?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-28-2007, 03:52 AM

Why would I care if you use that?

Frances · 03-28-2007, 03:53 AM

I didn't think much of their last one, but I'll be getting this one and hoping for the best. They're a great band.

TheBig3 · 03-28-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

questionable points of view.

While I completely disagree with your point here Boo Boo, this phrase you've used here is amazing. I mean, someones point of view can be questionable? Not even Reagan could cook up this kind of brilliance.

To challenge, You can absolutely tell when someone has experienced something their singing about, and you know full well when they have not. If you can't tell, I'd chalk it up to an inexperienced ear, or perhaps some just have a predilection toward distinguishing one from the other. I myself have no issue deciphering when someone is remembering how they felt when they sing about an issue that has effected them deeply, and when their trying to sing a song note-perfect.

Its like speech writing, some people want to convey a message, some people just want to get to the podium and back to their seat without stumbling over their words or the rug.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-28-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

whats the criteria for feeling? How do you rate it and measure it accurately? How do you judge and decide what is "true" feeling and what is just pretentious bibble babble?

I can tell the difference between someone who has gone out & experienced life and someone who has spent all his time sitting in his bedroom practicing how fast he can play the guitar & reading too much Tolkien.

Voodoo Chile · 03-28-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Not to say a musician can't pour their emotion into the music, but whats the criteria for feeling? How do you rate it and measure it accurately? How do sense it?

I don't think it's something to be measured. It's inexplicable. Different people will feel different music. It isn't something to be rated. It's not something to be broken down and analyzed. Why pick at a song for having an extremely simple, unchanging bassline for three minutes straight? It doesn't matter what each individual band member is doing. What matters is the sound that they formulate together. And you either feel that formulation, or you don't.

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I can tell the difference between someone who has gone out & experienced life and someone who has spent all his time sitting in his bedroom practicing how fast he can play the guitar & reading too much Tolkien.

Who's to say that every Tolkien-influenced, fast song had no emotion put into it? Who's to say that every Gilmour-esque guitar solo wasn't written by an individual that sat in his or her room and practiced scales for years? It's impossible to tell, really. All you know is whether or not you feel the music. It'd be pretty arrogant to think otherwise.

boo boo · 03-28-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

While I completely disagree with your point here Boo Boo, this phrase you've used here is amazing. I mean, someones point of view can be questionable? Not even Reagan could cook up this kind of brilliance.

To challenge, You can absolutely tell when someone has experienced something their singing about, and you know full well when they have not. If you can't tell, I'd chalk it up to an inexperienced ear, or perhaps some just have a predilection toward distinguishing one from the other. I myself have no issue deciphering when someone is remembering how they felt when they sing about an issue that has effected them deeply, and when their trying to sing a song note-perfect.

Its like speech writing, some people want to convey a message, some people just want to get to the podium and back to their seat without stumbling over their words or the rug.

I wouldn't compare music to speech writing, because while you're at it you might as well say all instrumentalists suck.

Its enforcing these kinda pointless limitations that makes me dislike so much of todays music. Bands don't have to all sing about the same thing, "sing about your life experiences, or else". I view music as escapism, you're creating your own sonic environment, your own fantasy universe if you will, to hell with applying other peoples logic I say. If you want to sing about your life experience, fine, you want to sing about fairies and dragons, thats also fine. You can also be emotional singing about fairies and dragons, Frank Black gets emotional singing about Monkeys, why not?

mr-bungle · 03-29-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frances

I didn't think much of their last one

Get Behind Me Satan was a great album.

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03-28-2007, 03:52 AM	#284 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Why would I care if you use that? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.