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Old 05-29-2010, 06:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In 1899 Edward Elgar introduced his Variations on an Original Theme with these words:
The Enigma I will not explain - its 'dark saying' must be left unguessed, and I warn you that the connection between the Variations and the Theme is often of the slightest texture; further, through and over the whole set another and larger theme 'goes', but is not played.... So the principal Theme never appears, even as in some late dramas ... the chief character is never on the stage.

After 30 years, no one had solved his enigma, so at age 72 he wrote these words:
The alternation of the two quavers and two crotchets in the first bar and their reversal in the second bar will be noticed; references to this grouping are almost continuous (either melodically or in the accompanying figures - in Variation XIII, beginning at bar 11 [503], for example). The drop of a seventh in the Theme (bars 3 and 4) should be observed. At bar 7 (G major) appears the rising and falling passage in thirds which is much used later, e.g. Variation III, bars 10.16. [106, 112] - E.E.

The first few bars of his music can be viewed at the following website:

File:Enigma theme.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After three years of research I have found numerous hints at Pi. One or two hints might be coincidence but more than 10 hints becomes "proof" in my opinion.

1. The first four notes are scale degree 3-1-4-2, a common approximation of decimal Pi.

2. He dedicated his work to his "Friends Pictured Within". This is a "variation" of the more common phrase, "Circle of Friends", but he probably considered that too strong a hint. (incidentally, that is what led me to look for Pi.)

3. After the first 11 notes there are two "drops of a seventh." 11 x 2/7 = 22/7, a common approximation of fractional Pi.

4. Elgar said there was a "dark saying" involved. "Four and twenty blackbirds (certainly dark) baked in a Pie (Pi), could satisfy that requirement.

5. There are exactly Four and twenty black"birds" (black notes with wings-ties/slurs) baked in Elgar's Pi melody.

6. Elgar frequently said the solution was "well known." Pi is taught to almost everyone as part of a basic education.

7. Elgar said the work was "begun in a spirit of humor".

8. Elgar composed the Enigma Variations in the year following the humorous incident known as the Indiana Pi Bill of 1897, when the legislature passed a bill to propose the method to be used for calculating Pi. This bill was based on the erroneous assumption that Pi was difficult to calculate, but it was already know to more than 100 decimal places. The scheme they proposed, "squaring the circle" had been rigorously disproven by a real mathematician several years earlier. Elgar enjoyed "japes" such as that.

9. Elgar was known for his interest and skill in puzzles. John Holt Schooling devised a puzzle and declared that no one in all of England could solve it. Elgar did solve it and his six page solution is on display in his birthplace museum.

10. In Elgar's 1899 hints, he wrote that there was a "dark saying" in the first clue. In the second clue, he wrote that there was a theme that "goes but is not played." Pi is a theme in the "literary" sense in tht it is the idea or concept behind the work. In his third sentence he states that the enigma is "offstage," as Pi certainly is.

11. The 3 sentences from Elgar in 1929 each contain a hint at 22/7, fractional Pi. The first sentence refters to two quavers and two crotchets- a hint at 22. The second sentence refers to observing the "drop of the seventh in the third and four bars" which led me to find the 11 x 2/7 = 22/7. In third sentence he refers to a repeating pattern in bar 7, a hint at /7 of 22/7.

I cannot believe that all of this is just a coincidence, can you?
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I got lost on the first sentence...
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So you just copied from Wikipedia? An interesting read but what do YOU think?
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Some of it is so incredibly conspiracy theorist it's not even funny, but a lot of it seems pretty sensible.

Interesting stuff.
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So you just copied from Wikipedia? An interesting read but what do YOU think?
There is no mention of Pi in the Wikipedia article...

This sounds pretty convincing and kind of makes sense, you might be on to something here.
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So you just copied from Wikipedia? An interesting read but what do YOU think?
Sorry to confuse you. The Wiki material was provided as background. All of the findings related to Pi are my original research. What do I think? There is no doubt that Elgar's enigma is Pi. There are at least ten FACTS which relate his music and his words to Pi. True, in some ways it is like "The Da Vinci Code" except that this is true and it is offered for free in the interest of exposing the answer to an 111 year old mystery.
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Awesome research on a great piece. Definate "maybe" vote here... It seems likely, but not definate.
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So you just copied from Wikipedia? An interesting read but what do YOU think?
A lot of it seems to be copied verbatim from one of the music journal articles that I have - "Elgar's Enigma", written by Dr. J.A. Westrup, first published in the April 1960 issue of the Royal Music Association's bi-annual journal. A copy of the article is available online through an archive (JSTOR), but you won't be able to access it unless you're a student or an employee at a pre-determined school in their database.

Alternatively, you can just copy and paste the first post into Google and most of the first result comes up in bold. Entire sentences, almost. But like I said, you won't be able to access the article if you click on the link.

What you posted is quite interesting though. I really don't know much about Elgar - he was not a topic of discussion in my music history class lectures. Of course I know the Pomp and Circumstance Marches (especially the one that is played at everyone's graduation), and I know that his wife ruled his manuscript paper for him

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A lot of it seems to be copied verbatim from one of the music journal articles that I have - "Elgar's Enigma", written by Dr. J.A. Westrup, first published in the April 1960 issue of the Royal Music Association's bi-annual journal.
Of course I know the Pomp and Circumstance Marches (especially the one that is played at everyone's graduation), and I know that his wife ruled his manuscript paper for him
Thanks for reading my post. The background info of what Elgar wrote about the enigma is the only thing that is copied from Wiki. All of the research on the Pi solution is my original research. I think the evidence is overwhelming and I am continually surprised that so few people believe it is correct.

You are correct about the Pomp and Circumstance Marches and that his wife ruled his manuscript paper for him. He was quite an interesting man and I have enjoyed my three years of research on his enigma.
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Thanks for reading my post. The background info of what Elgar wrote about the enigma is the only thing that is copied from Wiki. All of the research on the Pi solution is my original research. I think the evidence is overwhelming and I am continually surprised that so few people believe it is correct.

You are correct about the Pomp and Circumstance Marches and that his wife ruled his manuscript paper for him. He was quite an interesting man and I have enjoyed my three years of research on his enigma.
Oh okay. I mistunderstood then. Good work on your research. I probably won't have the chance to study Elgar in school as I've only got 2 years left. I've already taken the course that covered the period in which he was active. But I think my textbook has a good chunk of information on him.
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