Dr Dre's Influence On Other Genres

Priya · 11-20-2010, 03:02 PM

I i'd first like to introduce myself as Priya an individual who was involved in the Indian music scene a few years ago and I thought i'd get the ball rolling with a first thread to talk about how the influences of Dr Dre has shaped the indian industry in the area of bhangra.

Firstly Dr Dre has had so many hits it would take me all day to name them all. Although in the past the hip hop industry has been subjected to sampling in the case of Truth Hursts Addictive, most original material to come out is pure original. However if we look at tracks produced by Dr Dre such as In Da CLub - it blew up internationally and this brings me on to my first point..

As the track was a huge success the indian industry opted to take such a beat and use it within there industry using the sampling method - Check out [youtube.com/watch?v=EWKvIqjvJaY]YouTube - Big Suga Kane Feat. KS Bhamrah (Apna Sangeet) - Sher Punjabi (50 Cent *New*)[/url] - which uses the beat, combined with traditional Indian instruments and vocals of the guy who appeared on top of the pops along side panjabi mc!

In Da Club to do possibly has over 100 bootlegg copies in the Indian industry along with tracks which sample track by timberland (such as [youtube.com/watch?v=3rBdTIm1vds]YouTube - Sarbjit Saab - Desi Back **BANNED FROM TV**[/url]) and so forth.

I've always understood sampling as being creative, but is sampling creative?

The sampling phase in bhangra blew up between 2000 -2006 before strict regulations came in to place banning it which has since seen a decline in releases in the indian industry (as even Panjabi Mc MEGA HIT - was based on sampling a knight rider - even he has struggled in my opinion to re-release something in the mainstream market as big) and the scene is seen as being dead with only a hand full of artists putting out Original production.

So the question I want to ask is, do you think bootlegging/sampling is good or bad?

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 11-20-2010, 03:25 PM

That all depends. In this case, it seems the samples were less "samples" and more "copies". A sample shouldn't infringe on the creative work of someone else, it should simply be used as a building block in the construction of an entirely new song.

That's just my opinion, anyway.

Freebase Dali · 11-20-2010, 03:34 PM

Entire genres were spawned from the act of sampling. Personally, I think that if you can take a sample and, like Conan said, use it as a building block and alter it to fit your needs to create something that people like, then you've done your job as an artist.
Legally, there are rules about sampling, but when you see big artists sampling stuff that's extremely obvious, they usually obtain the rights for it. But hey, you can sample anything you want and process it to the point where even the owner of the original track wouldn't recognize it.

clutnuckle · 11-20-2010, 04:56 PM

Sampling is like finding a new definition for a word - taking a previous concept and twisting it, quirking it, and making it into something new, original, and bold. A saxophonist doesn't 'invent' the notes they play; much like a person using a sampler, the music is in their mind just waiting to come out. The sampler and saxophone are just mediums through which the music can come out. One of my music teachers always said something along the lines of: "If you can look at the music, can hum it, understand the rhythms, and any other information in it, then you know it. The instrument is just what you use to make it louder." Sampling is just natural. Using something called a 'sampler' to do it is just convenient.

Interesting video on sampling:

11-20-2010, 03:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Priya Groupie Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1	Dr Dre's Influence On Other Genres I i'd first like to introduce myself as Priya an individual who was involved in the Indian music scene a few years ago and I thought i'd get the ball rolling with a first thread to talk about how the influences of Dr Dre has shaped the indian industry in the area of bhangra. Firstly Dr Dre has had so many hits it would take me all day to name them all. Although in the past the hip hop industry has been subjected to sampling in the case of Truth Hursts Addictive, most original material to come out is pure original. However if we look at tracks produced by Dr Dre such as In Da CLub - it blew up internationally and this brings me on to my first point.. As the track was a huge success the indian industry opted to take such a beat and use it within there industry using the sampling method - Check out [youtube.com/watch?v=EWKvIqjvJaY]YouTube - Big Suga Kane Feat. KS Bhamrah (Apna Sangeet) - Sher Punjabi (50 Cent New)[/url] - which uses the beat, combined with traditional Indian instruments and vocals of the guy who appeared on top of the pops along side panjabi mc! In Da Club to do possibly has over 100 bootlegg copies in the Indian industry along with tracks which sample track by timberland (such as [youtube.com/watch?v=3rBdTIm1vds]YouTube - Sarbjit Saab - Desi Back BANNED FROM TV[/url]) and so forth. I've always understood sampling as being creative, but is sampling creative? The sampling phase in bhangra blew up between 2000 -2006 before strict regulations came in to place banning it which has since seen a decline in releases in the indian industry (as even Panjabi Mc MEGA HIT - was based on sampling a knight rider - even he has struggled in my opinion to re-release something in the mainstream market as big) and the scene is seen as being dead with only a hand full of artists putting out Original production. So the question I want to ask is, do you think bootlegging/sampling is good or bad?

11-20-2010, 03:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	That all depends. In this case, it seems the samples were less "samples" and more "copies". A sample shouldn't infringe on the creative work of someone else, it should simply be used as a building block in the construction of an entirely new song. That's just my opinion, anyway.

11-20-2010, 03:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Entire genres were spawned from the act of sampling. Personally, I think that if you can take a sample and, like Conan said, use it as a building block and alter it to fit your needs to create something that people like, then you've done your job as an artist. Legally, there are rules about sampling, but when you see big artists sampling stuff that's extremely obvious, they usually obtain the rights for it. But hey, you can sample anything you want and process it to the point where even the owner of the original track wouldn't recognize it.

11-20-2010, 04:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
clutnuckle Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: -_-_-_-_~__~-~_-`_`-~_-`-~-~ Posts: 1,276	Sampling is like finding a new definition for a word - taking a previous concept and twisting it, quirking it, and making it into something new, original, and bold. A saxophonist doesn't 'invent' the notes they play; much like a person using a sampler, the music is in their mind just waiting to come out. The sampler and saxophone are just mediums through which the music can come out. One of my music teachers always said something along the lines of: "If you can look at the music, can hum it, understand the rhythms, and any other information in it, then you know it. The instrument is just what you use to make it louder." Sampling is just natural. Using something called a 'sampler' to do it is just convenient. Interesting video on sampling: