Crimes Against Music

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-23-2011, 03:48 PM

Read back through the thread. Many of the YouTube videos have been removed by the major corporations that own the record labels the music was released on.

Now that's a crime against music.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-23-2011, 03:49 PM

Which I have always found ironic because music videos are basically advertising tools to sell product.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-23-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Which I have always found ironic because music videos are basically advertising tools to sell product.

Exactly. One has to question whether the perceived loss of revenue from unauthorized reposting of videos isn't in reality a gain in the long run.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-23-2011, 03:58 PM

All I know is if I was in a band and my record company put up a video on youtube and a few days later I logged on there & saw another 10 or 15 unauthorised videos up there too I'd be happy about it, not getting into a rage & demanding they be taken down.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-23-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

All I know is if I was in a band and my record company put up a video on youtube and a few days later I logged on there & saw another 10 or 15 unauthorised videos up there too I'd be happy about it, not getting into a rage & demanding they be taken down.

I'd feel the same way. Exposure is exposure. What irks me more, though, is when bands from the 60s and 70s, some of whom haven't even released their music to mp3 format, are blacklisted from being uploaded to YouTube. As if removing their music from a video website is going to increase their CD sales? Give me a break. If anything at all they should help.

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-23-2011, 04:04 PM

i don't regard anything that's meant for publicity as a crime.

starrynight · 06-23-2011, 04:37 PM

It's all about control. It's the same reason they try and stop people watching in some countries even though we live in a global world on the internet. They find it hard to move with the times and realise that actually they can't completely control things.

Neapolitan · 06-23-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

Pan Flute Cover Albums

I'll start off with pan flute covers. I recently found one of these CDs in my parents-in-law's car. They denied ownership of course. So what's the background here? It seems like some record labels, possibly exploiting poor pan-flute playing peoples living in the Andes, pump out these crappy cover albums. They're typically marketed as being particularly soothing for the soul, a stark contrast to the grating effect it has on mine. Judging by the insane amount there are of these albums, producing them must be cheap and artists are possibly payed for with marbles and mirrors. For reasons I can't fully understand, there seems to be a (large) market for these albums. In this country, much of that market seems to come from out of the way gas stations or possibly in stores selling incense and dream catchers to the gullible. I figure the target group are people with no taste who are simply immune to embarassment.

A typical song one might find on such a cover CD is Celine Dion's My Heart Will Go On, although any 60s/70s/80s/90s hit could be covered (although usually http://www.musicbanter.com/newreply....treply&t=53273
Music Banter - Reply to Topicnot later than that since pan flute artists generally lag behind the mainstream in music), particularly the soppy ballads.

To the people who buy this sort of stuff, if you wanna listen to My Heart Will Go On .. Why don't you go get a Celine Dion album?

You are assuming they don't already have a Celine Dion album. Maybe they do, but then again maybe they don't and yet they are still familiar with it, maybe from the radio.

If someone likes Celine Dion on pan flutes I feel you (you - plural) can't judge that person, you can't demand they know what you know, like what you like. An analogy would be if a person graduates with a Master in Lit they shouldn't be going around teasing kinder gardeners how they read - it seems pretentious.

I see it as an amalgamation of different separate tastes, one is Celine Dion and the other is the sound of the pan instrument. Maybe the Pan Flute/Celine Dion as a poor example for this - they are better examples. I'm all for a listener to broaden their musical horizons, for that person experiencing an alternative version of a song they like, maybe they would hear something different they like and think maybe there is more to life than corporate music world that encapsulate Celine Dion. Musical taste is just like anything else, the music that's out there is like anything else there are Peugeots and and then there are Aston Martins - to each his or her own. You can't expect every automobile manufacturer to build only one type of car. It's good to test ride something else before you buy a car to weigh the pro's and con's.

I'm not anti-Pop per se but it is the over commercialize acts that the real crime against music as an art form. Music began it's suffering of not being an art form when it became a commercialize product. When it went from a social event of a band with a live audience that interacted with each other to a recording of a band which one often listens to by oneself, which if one looks at it objectively seem like a lonely event - music should be shared.

I don't think the crime against music is some guy playing cover songs with a pan flute, maybe this is a way of him paying his dues maybe his dream won't pan out because the market is supersaturated with cover-song-pan flutist (most points you brought up are legitimate and very rarely if any will be a recognizable household, they get paid peanuts) and of course it has to be put into perspective, it's not the height of music as art, nor a true form of traditional music.

Captain Ron · 06-23-2011, 07:37 PM

the biggest crime is that looks are more important than musical ability nowdays

nbakid2000 · 06-27-2011, 02:00 AM

The biggest crime against music is the Loudness War which destroys the dynamics and sound of music.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Read back through the thread. Many of the YouTube videos have been removed by the major corporations that own the record labels the music was released on. Now that's a crime against music.

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~~The Virgin~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cebu, Philippines Posts: 677	i don't regard anything that's meant for publicity as a crime.

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Captain Ron Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: in a boat with your girlfriend Posts: 274	the biggest crime is that looks are more important than musical ability nowdays

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nbakid2000 Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 179	The biggest crime against music is the Loudness War which destroys the dynamics and sound of music.