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gettingby 05-17-2011 08:48 PM

Is Usher this generations Marvin Gaye?
 
Marvin Gaye is a legend,a Motown legend but Usher I mean I dont know its like comparing Soulja Boy to 2pac,or the pussycat dolls to the Supremes.Is Usher worthy of being a legend?he does do love songs sorta like Marvin and his personal life has problems.

Janszoon 05-17-2011 08:49 PM

I find both of them pretty boring so, for me, maybe.

BastardofYoung 05-17-2011 09:06 PM

wait, Did i go back in time to the mid 90's here? People are still talking about Usher? Has he even done anything in this generation?

Alfred 05-17-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1055060)
wait, Did i go back in time to the mid 90's here? People are still talking about Usher? Has he even done anything in this generation?

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NSW 05-17-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 1055063)

Oh snap!


But seriously...why would this comparison even come up? Usher? Really?

BastardofYoung 05-17-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 1055063)

Thanks, that pretty face helped me come back down to the current day.

BastardofYoung 05-17-2011 09:18 PM

If anything though, Usher will be remembered as a poor mans Micheal Jackson at best.

Howard the Duck 05-18-2011 02:06 AM

Usher is this generation's Tammi Terell

The Virgin 05-18-2011 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1055066)
If anything though, Usher will be remembered as a poor mans Micheal Jackson at best.

i so agree on this one

Scarlett O'Hara 05-18-2011 02:39 AM

Usher is no where even close to Motown. He's rubbish.

Anteater 05-18-2011 10:46 AM

In the whole commercial R&B spectrum of things from the 90's til now, the only guy even remotely comparable to Marvin, Al Green, etc. would be be Maxwell. And...maybe D'Angelo.

TheBig3 05-18-2011 10:53 AM

Raphael is pretty good.

someonecompletelyrandom 05-18-2011 12:29 PM

Which one's Usher again? He's the guy who had that song that goes... Um.. Yknow with that beat that's all... Uh... And he did that track that was like... Er...

Freebase Dali 05-18-2011 02:48 PM

I think we're all forgetting just who is going to be representing tomorrow's popular music opinion...

jackhammer 05-18-2011 05:21 PM

Who the frig is Usher? Seriously. I have heard the name but that's the fella at a wedding who is not quite good enough to be a best man so he gets all the crap jobs instead isn't he?

Maybe they are both not the best at what they think they can do?

Insane Guest 05-18-2011 07:31 PM

Now I remember who Usher is...


...and "no" to answer the question.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 05-18-2011 07:37 PM

Why in the Hell does each generation have a 'so and so'? I've always been bothered by this. There are influences, and knockoffs yet not some sort of magic system of reincarnation where somehow figures now embody figures of the past.

I can't make a comment cause I've never been that big of a modern R&B fan but still...

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 05-19-2011 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055802)
Usher is that ugly black monkey

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Jedey 05-19-2011 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055802)
Usher is that ugly black monkey


Your racism is very offensive, this sort of hatred should be banned.

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedey (Post 1055809)
Your racism is very offensive, this sort of hatred should be banned.

trust me, I've already tried getting him banned

the mods want a lengthy reason, which I can't be arsed to do

The Virgin 05-19-2011 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedey (Post 1055809)
Your racism is very offensive, this sort of hatred should be banned.

how can i be racist when i just said i also find another black man hot?

Jedey 05-19-2011 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055823)
how can i be racist when i just said i also find another black man hot?

Calling a black man a monkey is extreme racism no ifs and or buts. This is the kind of hate people need to stand up against.

The Virgin 05-19-2011 06:10 AM

a lot of insults has been posted against Usher in this thread and you think i drew the line just because i called him a monkey? ridiculous.

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055825)
a lot of insults has been posted against Usher in this thread and you think i drew the line just because i called him a monkey? ridiculous.

you called him a "black" monkey

The Virgin 05-19-2011 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1055826)
you called him a "black" monkey

the 'black' word is not meant to be deregatory, it's the monkey.
if i called ashton kutcher a white monkey, most people would think that the emphasis is on the animal rather than its color.

Janszoon 05-19-2011 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055825)
a lot of insults has been posted against Usher in this thread and you think i drew the line just because i called him a monkey? ridiculous.

None of the other insults were racist in nature though. Calling black people monkeys, on the other hand, has a long racist history. I'm going to assume that this is simply a cultural specific thing that you're unaware of because of where you live, but if you're going to post message boards filled with people from place like the US and UK it's something you should be aware of.

The Virgin 05-19-2011 06:28 AM

it's funny how i keep posting about my fascination towards black people being hot and sexy and just downright gifted with big penises, and a simple comment against someone i really don't like, musically, which happens to be black, makes me now a racist. i'm done with this crap. i'm gonna leave this thread. it's getting me nowhere.

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055835)
it's funny how i keep posting about my fascination towards black people being hot and sexy and just downright gifted with big penises, and a simple comment against someone i really don't like, musically, which happens to be black, makes me now a racist. i'm done with this crap. i'm gonna leave this thread. it's getting me nowhere.

uh leave this board as well, please

and pls don't ever come back

Janszoon 05-19-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1055835)
it's funny how i keep posting about my fascination towards black people being hot and sexy and just downright gifted with big penises, and a simple comment against someone i really don't like, musically, which happens to be black, makes me now a racist. i'm done with this crap. i'm gonna leave this thread. it's getting me nowhere.

It funny how I just tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and you insist on continuing with the racist troll.

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1055845)
It funny how I just tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and you insist on continuing with the racist troll.

he's probably too dense to understand the evolutionary principles behind that insult

Necromancer 05-19-2011 07:32 AM

Comparing Usher to Marvin Gaye? That seems kinda ridiculous if your familiar with Marvin Gaye's music. Marvin Gaye had something to say with his music, being political or concerning society in general. He also had the knack for writing about love, sex, and all the good things that go along with the relationship between a man and a woman. Songs like Trouble Man and Inner City Blues are just a few of his classics to mention, not to be compared with anyone in my opinion.

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 1055867)
Comparing Usher to Marvin Gaye? That seems kinda ridiculous if your familiar with Marvin Gaye's music. Marvin Gaye had something to say with his music, being political or concerning society in general. He also had the knack for writing about love, sex, and all the good things that go along with the relationship between a man and a woman. Songs like Trouble Man and Inner City Blues are just a few of his classics to mention, not to be compared with anyone in my opinion.

in all due fairness, only two or three albums dealt with that

the majoirty of Gaye's output is pure pop

Necromancer 05-19-2011 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1055868)
in all due fairness, only two or three albums dealt with that

the majoirty of Gaye's output is pure pop

So, your suggesting that Gaye was just an average pop star, and nothing more? No more than Usher is anyway.

djchameleon 05-19-2011 08:20 AM

I thought we already discussed this...Usher is this generations Bob Dylan!

or was that Akon? Yeah, it might have been Akon.

Necromancer 05-19-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1055868)
in all due fairness, only two or three albums dealt with that

the majoirty of Gaye's output is pure pop

I just ask, because two or three albums seems like a lot of material for an artist to have, in the first place.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1055882)
I thought we already discussed this...Usher is this generations Bob Dylan!

or was that Akon? Yeah, it might have been Akon.

I can go with Akon.

djchameleon 05-19-2011 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 1055887)

I can go with Akon.

Oh you agree? that Akon is this generations Bob Dylan?

Howard the Duck 05-19-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 1055878)
So, your suggesting that Gaye was just an average pop star, and nothing more? No more than Usher is anyway.

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 1055887)
I just ask, because two or three albums seems like a lot of material for an artist to have, in the first place.

I can go with Akon.

i mean come on The Temptations under Whitfield had at least 10 albums dealing with society

Stevie Wonder had at least 5

and Gaye's best known song (arguably Sexual Healing) had lyrics that weren't written by him

his other well-known song (I Heard it Through the Grapevine was a better cover by Gladys Knight or CCR

Gaye in marginally better than an average pop star, but not by much

Akon is this generation's Lennon and McCartney

Necromancer 05-19-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1055895)
i mean come on The Temptations under Whitfield had at least 10 albums dealing with society

Stevie Wonder had at least 5

and Gaye's best known song (arguably Sexual Healing) had lyrics that weren't written by him

his other well-known song (I Heard it Through the Grapevine was a better cover by Gladys Knight or CCR

Gaye in marginally better than an average pop star, but not by much

Akon is this generation's Lennon and McCartney

That's all blasphemy in the face of Marvin Gaye :D (I always thought that Marvin Gaye lived and died the kind of life he would sometimes sing about in his music). Creating more argument for the sake of arguing will not change my views (which may be a little bias). Even though I don't agree with you, I can respect an opinion. ;)

FRED HALE SR. 05-19-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass (Post 1055867)
Comparing Usher to Marvin Gaye? That seems kinda ridiculous if your familiar with Marvin Gaye's music. Marvin Gaye had something to say with his music, being political or concerning society in general. He also had the knack for writing about love, sex, and all the good things that go along with the relationship between a man and a woman. Songs like Trouble Man and Inner City Blues are just a few of his classics to mention, not to be compared with anyone in my opinion.

I agree with this completely. Marvin Gaye was just an amazing vocalist with a vision. Whats Going On, is an amazing take on society of the day and completely blew me away with its insight and overall stellar vocals.

Usher is pop fodder. He does what he does well and people love to dance to his stuff in the clubs, but he will never have the vision or ability to sing that sets Gaye apart from him. Also Marvin Gaye's version of the star spangled banner at the nba all star game was pretty riveting and touching.

FRED HALE SR. 05-19-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1055895)
i mean come on The Temptations under Whitfield had at least 10 albums dealing with society

Stevie Wonder had at least 5

and Gaye's best known song (arguably Sexual Healing) had lyrics that weren't written by him

his other well-known song (I Heard it Through the Grapevine was a better cover by Gladys Knight or CCR

Gaye in marginally better than an average pop star, but not by much

Akon is this generation's Lennon and McCartney

The Temptations were also very much a pop act such as you descirbed Gaye. Gayes best known song is What Going On and that song is exactly what Vocals was describing.

Gladys Knight and CCR can't touch Gayes version of Heard It Through, not even sorta kinda, i couldn't disagree more. Although i like all three versions.

Gaye was an exceptionally talented vocalist and i put him on a par with all the motown greats including Stevie Wonder.


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