"There Should Be A Mandatory Retirement Age Of 40 In Rock 'N' Roll" - Johnny Ramone

bogey_j · 09-02-2011, 10:01 PM

I agree johnny, there is nothing more embarrassing than an old ass rockstar still trying to act young and rebellious

Necromancer · 09-02-2011, 11:08 PM

I actually think that most people that set an age limit (say 40 or 50) are either jealous or just arrogant.

Most all the mega solo artist and bands of the day are between the ages of their 40 and 60s. The times have changed, you don't have to be in your 20s anymore to be a rock star and your career is no longer winding down when you hit your late 30s. If that were the case, there wouldn't be very many good music acts around worth seeing.

I agree, its a fact some artist decline and should retire If their music and performance is not up to par, but some older artist are actually better than ever in their late 50s to 60 years of age. Paul Rodgers is just one example of such an artist.

Look how old some of the blues and country artist are, and still performing. Buddy Guy is still at the top of his game at the ripe old age of 70 +. Tony Bennet and Merle Haggard are are few older artist to mention, that still have a powerful voice.

I will admit after seeing Rod Stewart the other day on cable, he should "maybe" seriously start to think about retirement.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-02-2011, 11:32 PM

I think Johnny should have quit Rock N' Roll when he was 15...

Anyway, I disagree. There is no reason an artist should EVER bend his will to public appeal. If it's ****, **** it. If you love making music, make ****ing music. As long as they never stop seeking self improvement.

I mean, after all, Jazz composers and classical composers make their work a lifetime profession. Why not 'rockers'?

Paedantic Basterd · 09-03-2011, 12:12 AM

Scott Walker and Tom Waits come to my mind as evidence that age is irrelevant.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-03-2011, 12:31 AM

I'd say the stuff he's put out in the last 10 years is the best stuff he's done since the mid 80s. So no, I disagree.

I think some bands do have a shelf life of around 3 or 4 albums, but that's about having nothing more to say, lack of originality or just being irrelevant rather than age.

RVCA · 09-03-2011, 01:54 AM

Well what about people like Robert Plant? Perhaps the only member of Zeppelin who's realized his glory days of rebellion and youthfulness are over, he's shelved his hard rock ways in favor of a quiet folk/country solo career. Truly respectable, in my opinion.

Unknown Soldier · 09-03-2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Well what about people like Robert Plant? Perhaps the only member of Zeppelin who's realized his glory days of rebellion and youthfulness are over, he's shelved his hard rock ways in favor of a quiet folk/country solo career. Truly respectable, in my opinion.

He should have shelved his hard rock ways a looooooooong time ago, he hasn`t done anything good (hard rock wise) since his Zeppelin days anyway.

Necromancer · 09-03-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

He should have shelved his hard rock ways a looooooooong time ago, he hasn`t done anything good (hard rock wise) since his Zeppelin days anyway.

I agree that none of his solo work was as popular or hard rock orientated as his days with Led Zeppelin, but I always liked some of his solo work as well.

I liked certain singles from his albums Pictures at Eleven, The Principle of Moments, Shaken 'n' Stirred. My overall favorite album by Plant, is 88's "Now and Zen" and the singles "Heaven Knows", "Tall Cool One", and "Ship of Fools". Along with a few other (less popular) singles from the album.

Robert Plants solo career doesn't seem to get very much respect here at MB for some odd reason.

Unknown Soldier · 09-03-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I agree that none of his solo work was as popular or hard rock orientated as his days with Led Zeppelin, but I always liked some of his solo work as well.

I liked certain singles from his albums Pictures at Eleven, The Principle of Moments, Shaken 'n' Stirred. My overall favorite album by Plant, is 88's "Now and Zen" and the singles "Heaven Knows", "Tall Cool One", and "Ship of Fools". Along with a few other (less popular) singles from the album.

Robert Plants solo career doesn't seem to get very much respect here at MB for some odd reason.

His early solo work the albums Pictures at Eleven and The Principal of Moments really just continued from where Presence left off (forgetting the terrible In Through the Out Door here) and that was routine hard rock with a few other influences thrown in. The next batch of albums starting with Shaken N Stirred and Now and Zen etc saw him move into a more pop direction and the results were not great

Things improved a bit with Manic Nirvana before his best ever solo effort with Fate of Nations.

The problem with Plant is that when he was with Zeppelin he was great (in fact one of the very greatest of all time) without Page, Jones and Bonham he was always a shadow of his former self, a lot of that I think is from the fact that his voice in essence wasn`t that great, sure his bluesy wail with Zeppelin is the stuff of legend and it fitted in with the Led Zeppelin songs to perfection. Take him out of the Zeppelin environment and it really lacks something, I`d say he needed Zeppelin more than they needed him.

Comparing him to his main rivals of the day Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler and Paul Rodgers I`d say all of those three had superior voices but Robert Plant was probably the best performer of the three and that is probably one of the most vital elements of any hard rock performer.

Necromancer · 09-04-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

(forgetting the terrible In Through the Out Door here)
Comparing him to his main rivals of the day Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler and Paul Rodgers I`d say all of those three had superior voices but Robert Plant was probably the best performer of the three and that is probably one of the most vital elements of any hard rock performer.

I actually forgot to mention in my last post that the album "In Through The Out Door" had a few singles I like also, In the Evening, Fool in the Rain, and All Of My Love.

I think Steven Tyler is the best performer/frontman out of the four mentioned. Do you really consider Robert Plant as the best Soldier?

View Poll Results: do you agree with johnny?
I agree, these old guys need to know when to stop and hang it up	0	0%
Disagree, age is just a number. you don't stop being creative just because you're old	20	68.97%
Make a dramatic exit like overdosing or blowing your brains out. better to burn out than fade away	1	3.45%
I think an artist's late work is sometimes more interesting	4	13.79%
Overwhelming success can kill creativity so its better to bow out while you're still in your prime	0	0%
I reckon that an aging rapper is more embarrassing than an aging rockstar	4	13.79%
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09-02-2011, 10:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
bogey_j Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 95	"There Should Be A Mandatory Retirement Age Of 40 In Rock 'N' Roll" - Johnny Ramone I agree johnny, there is nothing more embarrassing than an old ass rockstar still trying to act young and rebellious

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I'd say the stuff he's put out in the last 10 years is the best stuff he's done since the mid 80s. So no, I disagree. I think some bands do have a shelf life of around 3 or 4 albums, but that's about having nothing more to say, lack of originality or just being irrelevant rather than age. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

09-02-2011, 11:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	I actually think that most people that set an age limit (say 40 or 50) are either jealous or just arrogant. Most all the mega solo artist and bands of the day are between the ages of their 40 and 60s. The times have changed, you don't have to be in your 20s anymore to be a rock star and your career is no longer winding down when you hit your late 30s. If that were the case, there wouldn't be very many good music acts around worth seeing. I agree, its a fact some artist decline and should retire If their music and performance is not up to par, but some older artist are actually better than ever in their late 50s to 60 years of age. Paul Rodgers is just one example of such an artist. Look how old some of the blues and country artist are, and still performing. Buddy Guy is still at the top of his game at the ripe old age of 70 +. Tony Bennet and Merle Haggard are are few older artist to mention, that still have a powerful voice. I will admit after seeing Rod Stewart the other day on cable, he should "maybe" seriously start to think about retirement.

09-03-2011, 12:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Scott Walker and Tom Waits come to my mind as evidence that age is irrelevant.

09-03-2011, 01:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
RVCA （￣ー￣） Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,270	Well what about people like Robert Plant? Perhaps the only member of Zeppelin who's realized his glory days of rebellion and youthfulness are over, he's shelved his hard rock ways in favor of a quiet folk/country solo career. Truly respectable, in my opinion.