Coldplay's version is about 10x better... God do I hate Satch

And they have. I posted this in the other thread, but in case you didn't see it (the melody comes in at :04):

Like i said before, some bands make a remix of other songs and try to improve on it. I say coldplay succeeded.
BECAUSE, ALL MUSIC CAME FROM EARLIER MUSIC!
no matter what.

It's impossible to sue musical artists for stuff like that unless it's an absolute blatant rip-off. Because as said ^^ all music comes from earlier music.

There is truth to that, but sampling is a blatant rip off.

It can be, but it depends how it's used. If it's reconfigured in some way that changes it then I don't really see a rip-off.

I disagree, It is a rip-off, I instantly know if it's from a song I remember and it distracts me from the song.

It doesn't distract me, sometimes it actually makes the song more interesting to me if it's reconfigured in a cool way. And some things are changed so much that they really are unrecognizable.

The only thing that bugs me is when someone samples a huge segment of the song and changes it very little as P. Diddy is fond of doing, for example.

Well we differ here, I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's lazy.

Well, I agree that it certainly can be.

As a person who makes electronic music and who has tried to build songs off of samples in the past, I can definitely say in my experience it's frequently harder to build a song around samples than it is to just come up with stuff on my own.

My Coldplay tickets just arrived in the mail.
I don't know why I am going to see them but I am!

i think it sucks when they don't at least recognize the artist they stole it from. On one side, ASCAP is taking way too much money and it's not going to real artists, so I say sample or use away as an F U to them, but they should list the sample in the album. Coldplay has admitted to stealing music before. On Storytellers, they said they took the baseline from a Kate Bush song. Lame. One, because I agree, it's lazy unless you're sampling for House or R &B or something electronic, and stealing for a pop song is pure laziness. So is their new album, while I'm at it. Don't get me wrong, I love early coldplay, but the new one stinks it up. Secondly, to end the longest paragraph ever, Kate Bush??? You're gonna sample one of those?? yikes!

Did they sample it or did they play it themselves?

Do you guys think stuff like that can be entirely coincidental though?

It is completely possible when the melody is so simple.

I agree. Coldplay and Satriani are not the only people who have come up with a melody that sounds like that.

There's also...Bob Dylan, Hendrix(in some cases), 30 Seconds to Mars, Bright Eyes. Im just stating bands that have made songs with simple but fantastic melodies.

i dont really think coldplay is coffee music, but it does put me to sleep when i listen to it. :)

Personally I think that Satriani ought to have been distancing himself from such a terrible, awful song. I find it humorous that any self-respecting musician would want to take credit for this trollop.

At the Coldplay gig last night Chris Martin introduced a song by saying 'this song was written by Joe Satriani, in fact all of our songs are'.

T'was amusing.

Free download of a Viva La Vida remix at their website.

And a Xmas video with Simon Pegg
coldplay

I gotta go with the notion that any similarities between Coldplay's and Satriani's song was pure coincidence - honestly, when you're working with rock music these things are bound to happen - I guess you gotta bear in mind you've got a certain number of combinations of chords, riffs, notes, whatever, and occasionally one of these combinations is justgoing to come up sounding like another, maybe only marginally different or virtually the same...

Its not intended, its just the law of averages... but it is a blurry enough line to mount a reasonable lawsuit with, I guess...

I think I like Prospeckt's March better then anything they've ever done.

I have Prospekt's March, and I really enjoyed Viva quite alot... haven't given Prospekt's March a good listen yet I liked the alternate / full version of "Life in Technicolor" - liked it as an instrumental on the album but it works even better as a song. Still need to hear the rest of the EP now though...

I'm not sure I'd call myself a Coldplay completist or anything, I loved their first two albums for what they were - just solid earnest ballady type things - then X and was just kinda a bit faceless and boring... But they actually really impressed me by thinking out of their own box for Viva La Vida. It's a really solid recording and I hope they continue in the direction they are headed in.

Sure they aren't the beatles second coming, but they aren't the terrible band everyone seems to rag on them about...

I like Coldplay, but they can be a bit boring at times so I can see how snobby listeners would rag on them.

By the way, is anyone here open-minded about music in the slightest bit? All I've seen is snobbiness so far.

There's plenty of open-mindedness here. It's just annoying when people write off music that could expand their tastes in favor of whatever happens to immediately comfortable and accessible (Coldplay being a prime example at times, if we're using this thread in context). Sorta makes this forum's purpose moot and such...

I really dislike comfortable listening myself, I gotta say. I have nothing against Coldplay or music that is even more commercially driven. I actually happen to love Viva La Vida, even. What I do REALLY hate is the listener who will say "well that sucks because it doesn't get airplay" or they bury their heads in bands that are thrown at them by their radio station's playlist and don't make choices for themselves, or worse still degrade and decry people who have made the effort to seek out a style / artist they like...

So hey if you love Coldplay but you ALSO know this really cool band that no stations play in your area and have this wickedly different approach to music - you're totally the kinda person I want to talk to...

People who can see legitimate enjoymant in ALL forms of music are the very best to have a discussion with.

By the very same token I hate indie elitists as much as the radio cheese junkies... they're equally exclusive and close minded if all they listen to is stuff that is in their circle of "comfortable thought". I guess you could praise such people for looking for obscure acts and taking initiative, but man, the archetype indie snob is a really friggin' obnoxious person...

It's funny though - I consider Coldplay to often be a midpoint between the indie alt - rock elitist and the commercially oriented ignoramus...

Well, whether they are those who judge and listen to music based on how well it sells or those who limit their listening experiences to Independent artists-- everyone does the same damn thing: criticize. Everyone has an inner critic that judges everything around them subjectively. Whether or not you can keep it under control and have an open mind is completely up to you.

I myself am always seeking out obscure groups. Not for the sake of showing off my musical tolerance, but simply because I feel there is simply far more out there than what my local BestBuy or Hot Topic has to offer at their rediculously expensive prices. To do so is both a joy and learning experience.

On a secondary note regarding Coldplay: Plenty of groups (Toy Matinee, Alan Parsons, Tool, Radiohead, etc) have straddled the line between experimental and commercial viabilty over the decades. It's just at this point, I don't consider Coldplay (who overcompensate and wear their influences rather blatantly on their sleeves, a thing Chris Martin's comments in various interviews illustrates) one of them.

Oh for sure we all have our inner critics... and I am aware that most commercial music usually is ****ty - but stuff cn be GOOD and commercially successful - you cite Radiohead and they are a great example!

I think I significantly mellowed in recent years on the whole commercial vs. underground question... mainly because I stopped caring what the band's status was commercially and just focussed on enjoying the tunes they'd created.

So in my daily listening there are still a ton of not so well known bands, even in the minscule Australian scene I am trying to follow from another country...

I bet not many people here know too much by such bands as The Fauves, Screamfeeder, Bluebottle Kiss or Augie March - they are all low to middle level exposure bands in Australia, and they are virtual nobodies internationally.

There was a time when that was ALL I'd listen to, period. And hey there's still a big part of me that feels these bands are vastly superior to anything on commercial radio, Coldplay included...

But I have grown to realise that limting myself to only these sorts of bands is limiting myself in another way. There is obscure stuff that is ****ty too - just as there is actually some good commercial music...

I consider Coldplay to be WAY better than most of the horribly commercial garbage being thrown at us...

They are for music what flip-flap shoes are for Eskimos.

Quite the analogy.

Parachutes and ROBTTH are both excellent, really good post-Britpop with strong songwriting throughout. They lost my interest with X&Y, Im all for mainstream, hell their first two albums arent exactly obscure, but i take exception to bands that get far too full of themselves. Coldplay went all epic in an attempt to fill out stadiums, Viva La Vida is a continuation of this, its worked for them but definately not for me.

I'd hardly say 'epic' could be used to describe anything that Coldplay do, and 'too full of themselves'? hardly.

Coldplay are so full of themselves these days its unreal?!?!

They really aren't. I've got no problem with people not liking their music, or them as people, whatever. But to say a band are too full of themselves when they don't take themselves seriously, when they joke about being a bunch of librarians, when they even joke to their fans and apologise for the slack they get as Coldplay fans...it's just not true.

Fair enough, if they are calling themselves librarians then i have to hand it them, theyre funny guys, but why is being a Coldplay fan a bad thing? Im making my judgements based on the music. Viva La Vida at times sounds like a collection of national anthems. Its overly epic and to me, in my opinion, the band are trying too hard to be the biggest band in the world.

Coldplay fans always get stick so Chris Martin likes to apologise to his fans and thank them for putting up with being a Coldplay fan. So he knows they're not cool, or great.

I see them, especially Chris, as a bunch of guys enjoying what they're doing, not quite believing how big everything has become and making the most of it.

I, for the life of me, fail to see it in that way at all but lets agree to disagree. Incidently, are you a Coldplay fan?

I do enjoy their music, and they are fun to see live. I wouldn't say a fan but I don't have a bad word to say about them.

I just like their stuff, especially Viva La Vida, which I felt was a solid work, more complex and varied than anything else they'd done before and as accomplished as the works of many other bands with greater reputations...
I just felt it was a HUGE step forward for a band that could easily get away with big time mediocrity and recyclings of "Fix You". I think they should have some kudos for changing their sound and at least trying to do something different.

I hope they become even more complex and interesting. I might, then, become an actual hard core fan if they did...