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Frownland 03-04-2012 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1161649)
Not saying that this is the case with Beefheart and Zappa, but people so often seem to assume that the more avantgarde something is, the more rules it breaks, the more difficult it is to do - the better/smarter it is. That's not always true. When it comes to music, basically anyone can make avantgarde music, however good it turns out, but not everyone can write a beautiful piece of music. Not saying you don't get creds for being strange, but I definitely think people in general overrate it.
Well you try to play 4'33" like John Cage and see how well your theory holds up.

blastingas10 03-04-2012 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1161649)
Not saying that this is the case with Beefheart and Zappa, but people so often seem to assume that the more avantgarde something is, the more rules it breaks, the more difficult it is to do - the better/smarter it is. That's not always true. When it comes to music, basically anyone can make avantgarde music, however good it turns out, but not everyone can write a beautiful piece of music. Not saying you don't get creds for being strange, but I definitely think people in general overrate it.
Absolutely.

Zappa may have used structure, but his songs were still very unique and were completely different from anything else of his time.

Guybrush 03-04-2012 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1161652)
Well you try to play 4'33" like John Cage and see how well your theory holds up.
It's an interesting piece, but I find it a bit overrated. Basically, it's a funny idea, like an M. Night Shyamalan twist.

Frownland 03-04-2012 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1161658)
It's an interesting piece, but I find it a bit overrated. Basically, it's a funny idea, like an M. Night Shyamalan twist.
Same here. It's kind of like Cage is trolling the listener. I agree with what you said about talent and such, though. My favourite songs by Marc Ribot are not very hard to play yet they are brilliant pieces.

blastingas10 03-04-2012 04:24 PM
My brother doesn't know how to play guitar, but when he does he plays it in an avant-garde way that has no structure. However, that doesn't make it good. Just because something is experimental and goes beyond the rules doesn't instantly make it good. I'll take Zappa over Keiji Haino anyday.

Stephen 03-04-2012 08:12 PM
I have to go with Zappa. I heard a Beefheart album many years ago that I loved and thought I have to get some Beefheart. Unfortunately I didn't get the name of the album and every Beefheart album I have heard since has been a disappointment.

Frownland 03-04-2012 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fazstp (Post 1161820)
I have to go with Zappa. I heard a Beefheart album many years ago that I loved and thought I have to get some Beefheart. Unfortunately I didn't get the name of the album and every Beefheart album I have heard since has been a disappointment.
Describe the album and I may be able to help you find it.

Stephen 03-04-2012 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1161869)
Describe the album and I may be able to help you find it.
Yikes. It was a long time ago so a bit of a hazy memory but it was kind of Tom Waits singing blues on acid.

TockTockTock 03-04-2012 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fazstp (Post 1161889)
Yikes. It was a long time ago so a bit of a hazy memory but it was kind of Tom Waits singing blues on acid.
Was it Strictly Personal?

Norg 03-05-2012 02:56 AM
Im on da Zappa boat .... why because he just wrote better songs and has like wut like 30 albums !!!!!!! LOL... plus he had Terry bozzio on drums which was a MOnster


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