This pisses me off.

Mykonos · 09-05-2011, 02:32 PM

There's a whole Cracked article on artists that stole all their famous stuff. Zeppelin, Andrew Lloyd Webber (the man who gives musicals a bad name), Black Eyed Peas and Deep Purple were all in it for directly ripping people off. I think Deep Purple were the worst for ripping Smoke On The Water from The Stooges, who'd taken the original riff from a jazz piano line.

My completely irrelevent verdict: Led Zeppelin aren't very good anyway.

The Monkey · 09-05-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Would you give me an example?

Dazed and Confused and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You comes to mind.

Electrophonic Tonic · 09-05-2011, 05:50 PM

The problem I have with the "Led Zeppelin are thieves" crusade, is that it comes across like EVERY other artist in the history of music is original and Led Zeppelin are just thieving bastards. It was mentioned before, Deep Purple, Andrew Lloyd Weber, Black Eyed Peas, Vanilla Ice and many of those blues artists from the early days have ALL "stolen" music to make their own thing. I never hear the vitriol for them that LZ gets.

Also, that EVERY single song Led Zeppelin wrote was stolen in some way. Alright then, find me all the songs they stole to write Achilles Last Stand, Rock & Roll, Black Dog, Immigrant Song, Over the Hills and Far Away, Fool in the Rain, ect...

Also, I looked into the No Quarter/Echoes thing. The ONLY mention I could find about those songs being the same is that they're both played in C. And that's it. Considering the internet's love for proving LZ stole everything, I'll take a lack of evidence to call bull**** on THIS particular case.

Dr_Rez · 09-05-2011, 10:08 PM

Pretty much every blues musician ever has stolen huge amounts of other artists work. If you dont think so then you dont listen to very much blues. And to say that Zeppelin was unoriginal in its entirety? Well thats just an absurd claim that doesnt even dignify a response defending it.

Howard the Duck · 09-06-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic

The problem I have with the "Led Zeppelin are thieves" crusade, is that it comes across like EVERY other artist in the history of music is original and Led Zeppelin are just thieving bastards. It was mentioned before, Deep Purple, Andrew Lloyd Weber, Black Eyed Peas, Vanilla Ice and many of those blues artists from the early days have ALL "stolen" music to make their own thing. I never hear the vitriol for them that LZ gets.

Also, that EVERY single song Led Zeppelin wrote was stolen in some way. Alright then, find me all the songs they stole to write Achilles Last Stand, Rock & Roll, Black Dog, Immigrant Song, Over the Hills and Far Away, Fool in the Rain, ect...

Also, I looked into the No Quarter/Echoes thing. The ONLY mention I could find about those songs being the same is that they're both played in C. And that's it. Considering the internet's love for proving LZ stole everything, I'll take a lack of evidence to call bull**** on THIS particular case.

probably because they never bought a jumbo jet based on theft

GuitarBizarre · 09-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic

Things

Just to clarify, I wasn't claiming they stole the music in terms of sheet music, of echoes to make no quarter.

I was saying the song was a total rip off. As in, stylistically.

Howard the Duck · 09-06-2011, 08:09 PM

to be fair, the chord structure and that bridging riff in Echoes is fairly common in all genres

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-06-2011, 11:41 PM

I don't know. It used to bother me. But I almost fee this is the issue with viewing music in 'melodies'. It's pretty much common in traditional composition to piece together common pieces, and pieces from other songs to make new songs. Whenever something truly breaks into originality, it goes unknown because people don't know how to take it(ie. "that's just noise").

Led Zeppelin stole a ton of **** but 9 out of 10 times they outdid what they stole.

GuitarBizarre · 09-08-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

to be fair, the chord structure and that bridging riff in Echoes is fairly common in all genres

Again, I'm not fussed about the chords, I'm just saying, the wibbly guitars, the even wibblier keyboard patches with the bass going below them, the intro drenched in effects, robert plant singing pretty much like he wants to be roger waters...

Its all pretty similar.

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Electrophonic Tonic Your Ad Here Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 876	The problem I have with the "Led Zeppelin are thieves" crusade, is that it comes across like EVERY other artist in the history of music is original and Led Zeppelin are just thieving bastards. It was mentioned before, Deep Purple, Andrew Lloyd Weber, Black Eyed Peas, Vanilla Ice and many of those blues artists from the early days have ALL "stolen" music to make their own thing. I never hear the vitriol for them that LZ gets. Also, that EVERY single song Led Zeppelin wrote was stolen in some way. Alright then, find me all the songs they stole to write Achilles Last Stand, Rock & Roll, Black Dog, Immigrant Song, Over the Hills and Far Away, Fool in the Rain, ect... Also, I looked into the No Quarter/Echoes thing. The ONLY mention I could find about those songs being the same is that they're both played in C. And that's it. Considering the internet's love for proving LZ stole everything, I'll take a lack of evidence to call bull** on THIS** particular case.