The British Invasion! NEED HELP!!!

s_k · 11-06-2011, 06:48 AM

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Unknown Soldier · 11-06-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eraser.time206

Do you even read my comments? My goodness. It doesn't matter what decade you're in. If you're marketed enough you'll sell. It isn't hard to understand. It seems you just don't get it.

I already explained pages ago how the Beatles were a part of bringing down the culture. Go read and stop wasting my time asking questions I've already answered.

Go on YouTube and see how many views Lady GaGa and Justin Beiber have. They have great marketing. That's why they sell. The Backstreet Boys also sold millions and millions of albums but they were crap. Madonna sold millions of albums but she was crap. I don't care if you don't listen to their music. Millions and millions of people do.

Marketing=sells. If Zappa was marketed by a big company there's no doubt he is even more famous than he already is.

Just read my post without your own bias or argumentative spirit and see the obvious. It's very hard to see people not understand simple things like this.

Nobody`s ever denied the power of marketing on here, what is being said is, that marketing was very different in the 1960s and focused much more on a set demographic group that followed popular music, since then marketing has evolved to take in more diverse demographic groups and far wider appeal. For example, somebody marketable today or over the last decade that can be fairly controversial like Marilyn Manson or Eminem would not have been marketable in the 1960s! (BTW I dislike both but they serve as a good example) Equally Frank Zappa was just too experimental and alternative to be marketed as the Beatles were...........surely YOU can even see that!

Also, you do realize that YouTube wasn`t around in the 1960s

Oh dear!!! I see you are still typing your old punchline "Marketing-Sells" again, don`t you ever learn?

I asked you to reiterate again why the Beatles helped to destroy a culture, so as to hopefully draw some conclusion on this debate of yours,

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by eraser.time206

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eraser.time206 · 11-06-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Nobody`s ever denied the power of marketing on here, what is being said is, that marketing was very different in the 1960s and focused much more on a set demographic group that followed popular music, since then marketing has evolved to take in more diverse demographic groups and far wider appeal. For example, somebody marketable today or over the last decade that can be fairly controversial like Marilyn Manson or Eminem would not have been marketable in the 1960s! (BTW I dislike both but they serve as a good example) Equally Frank Zappa was just too experimental and alternative to be marketed as the Beatles were...........surely YOU can even see that!

Also, you do realize that YouTube wasn`t around in the 1960s

Oh dear!!! I see you are still typing your old punchline "Marketing-Sells" again, don`t you ever learn?

I asked you to reiterate again why the Beatles helped to destroy a culture, so as to hopefully draw some conclusion on this debate of yours,

You don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter what decade you're in. Marketing=sells. If you market something enough it doesn't matter how controversial it is it will sell.

Look at the history of man. People are natural followers. It's in our nature. Even if someone like Zappa would take time for people to get used to eventually they would. This is an obvious thing.

I already explained how the Beatles played a part. It seems you people think you're smart but you're not seeing the big picture.

The 60s or 70s or 80s or 90s or 2000s...it doesn't matter. Marketing=sells all the time. If a big company wanted Zappa to become extremely famous in the 60s he could make it happen.

I just cannot understand how people can be so close minded and ignorant of obvious things.

eraser.time206 · 11-06-2011, 08:39 AM

It's very obvious to me that you will not even see the most obvious things. You are blinded by your own stubbornness and pride. A bunch of close minded individuals who don't have the capacity to receive any thought not of their own.

The fact you cannot see or comprehend simple things like this is disturbing really. I have talked to a few people about topics familiar with this conversation and even the most ignorant fools have been able to receive these simple things.

Unknown Soldier · 11-06-2011, 09:12 AM

I`m normally a patient soul, but you`re enough to drive anybody to despair. After reading your last two posts.....even I`m now ready to chuck the towel in as you`re beyond reasoning with.

BTW, if Music Banter were to have a "Moron of the Year Poll" I`d sure as hell vote for you.

Beam me up Scotty!

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2011, 09:24 AM

Marketing=fails:

eraser.time206 · 11-06-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I`m normally a patient soul, but you`re enough to drive anybody to despair. After reading your last two posts.....even I`m now ready to chuck the towel in as you`re beyond reasoning with.

BTW, if Music Banter were to have a "Moron of the Year Poll" I`d sure as hell vote for you.

Beam me up Scotty!

You're no patient soul. And as you feel that I'm not reasonable I have actually taken the time to actually read your posts with open thought. You came into the conversation with a closed mine so you wasted my and your time. Maybe when you actually re-read my posts without your stubborn soul you'll realize just how simple everything I said was.

Here is what I said that was "Cr@zy!":

1. Marketing plays a very large role in sells. If something is put in someones mind long enough they will accept it. This can be proven as many victims of torture (though escaping) have grown accustomed to the pain to the point they inflict pain on themselves.

2. The Beatles (being a large cultural phenomenon) condoned dysfunctional behavior. Being the influence they were they played a large part in the befall of American culture. As reference I have talked to adults past my age and they have shared thoughts similar to mine.

What I said is very simple and can be proven if the subjects were at hand (which they are not) but simply looking at human behavior and the tendencies throughout human history it isn't hard to understand what I'm saying unless your mind is already fixated on anger, stubbornness etc

I'm much more frustrated with the repliers than they are with me. I for one have given a simple opinion that for some reason or another they cannot even grasp. I guess it is easier explaining in person than on the internet as people have a tendency to skim past words and read/hear/see what they want as opposed to what is being presented.

eraser.time206 · 11-06-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Marketing=fails:

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**Janszoon** · 11-06-2011, 09:40 AM

To prove that The Beatles contributed to the downfall of American culture, you would need to demonstrate the following:

That American culture is, in fact, worse than it was before the Beatles "invaded".
A causal link between the Beatles and the alleged decline of American culture.

So far you have said nothing that indicates that either one of these things are true.

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eraser.time206 Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 263	It's very obvious to me that you will not even see the most obvious things. You are blinded by your own stubbornness and pride. A bunch of close minded individuals who don't have the capacity to receive any thought not of their own. The fact you cannot see or comprehend simple things like this is disturbing really. I have talked to a few people about topics familiar with this conversation and even the most ignorant fools have been able to receive these simple things. __________________ Before I go on, let me warn you that I talk dirty, and that I will say things you will neither enjoy nor agree with. You shouldn't feel threatened, though, because I am a mere buffoon, and you are all philosophers.

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11-06-2011, 09:40 AM	#170 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	To prove that The Beatles contributed to the downfall of American culture, you would need to demonstrate the following: That American culture is, in fact, worse than it was before the Beatles "invaded". A causal link between the Beatles and the alleged decline of American culture. So far you have said nothing that indicates that either one of these things are true. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

11-06-2011, 09:12 AM	#166 (permalink)
Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	I`m normally a patient soul, but you`re enough to drive anybody to despair. After reading your last two posts.....even I`m now ready to chuck the towel in as you`re beyond reasoning with. BTW, if Music Banter were to have a "Moron of the Year Poll" I`d sure as hell vote for you. Beam me up Scotty!