Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I really don't understand this Dylan and Zappa combination. If anything, they're clear opposites.

Dylan wrote accessible melodies that were very simple, and primitive. He leaned them to often very intelligent lyrics.

Zappa wrote melodies that were very complicated, and intelligent. He then slapped on what literally sounded like the stupidest lyrics he could. Or shock value songs with lyrics about men dipping their 13 year old daughters in chocolate syrup, and ****ing them on the whitehouse lawn. Obviously he was INTENTIONALLY avoiding mainstream appeal.

Zappa could never be mainstream because his entire point was to PROTEST the mainstream. He hated the way that his music was treated. He hated the hippy trend, and made fun of the hippies. He loved dissonance, complexity, and inaccessibility. He hated lyrical profoundness, and purposely assassinated any popularity to himself for 'lyrics people'.

Not only that, but he blatantly makes fun of Bob Dylan, and his approach:



My I also mention that Zappa was proudly self managed. Nobody could be blamed for his popularity, or lack of popularity but him. He did a PHENOMENAL job of it. Ask 20 random 30 somethings if they know who Zappa is, and I doubt you'll find many that don't know who he was.

Now, listen to the fullest extensions of dissonances he reaches. If anything, if you listen to 'Son of Monster Magnet' you realize Zappa is a lot more popular than he ever intended himself to be.

Then, further, Who the **** thinks Dylan is an obscure figure? ****ING look at ANY major publication's "best 100 albums of all time". Not only will you probably find Zappa on there MULTIPLE times. But, Dylan probably appears at least 5-6 times, and most likely in the top 5-10 once. You have Martin Scorsesee doing ****ing biopics on him. He's by far one of the most popular, and well known figures of all time.

Please, if you are going to mention bands that get the shaft don't mention the two of the most popular bands/acts of all time that constantly make their way onto top 100 lists.

This is a good point. I'm not saying the movement wasn't important, mind you. It's just, Krauts in particular are obviously the children of Karlheinz Stockhausen, really. Their usage of electronics is the only big thing to separate them from straight psychedelic rock. Apart from maybe, Faust. My point more stands, if you do a random survey of say 50 people, very few will probably even known who Stockhausen is(albeit, even in his own right he's a bit over-accredited).

Plus, I think the Beatles do deserve a ****load more credit than they do for having the balls to integrate what little avant-garde, and world music they did into their music. British invasion apart from the Beatles set the foundation also to the psychedelic which is also helpful.

The reason why I find a lot of Beatles bashing as **** is because they didn't have to do that, they could have written "girl take my hand, to the land, of love, my dove" type ballads for the rest of their career, and done fine.

As for the rest of he invasion bands. I don't know what technically classifies. The Who, as mentioned in another thread, did worlds for popularizing feedback, and destructiveness into their live shows. There were some positive effects. I just don't like the fact it overshadows a lot of equally important things in music history. Even if their influence is more obscure, and subtle.

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blastingas10

Dylan could **** better lyrics than Zappa could conceive. He hated lyrical profoundness? I guess he hates poetry too. "Zappa is such a genius because he tried so hard to be different".

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Zappa disliked the fact that lyrics took presence over musical content. Dylan may be able to **** lyrics better than Zappa, but I highly doubt he's capable of arranging, writing, and performing composition's of Zappa's complexity. He wasn't 'trying to hard to be different' he was 'trying to expose people to elements of music that are different, and they're normally deprived of with most commercial acts'.

Zappa could **** music better than Dylan could ever conceive:

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blastingas10

Ya, you're right, he was way more technical than Dylan. Zappa was a talented SOB. ^That's a great song. However, people underestimate Dylans ability as a musician. I'm sure you will disagree and say he was terrible, haha, but thats fine.

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The point was that they didn't receive the recognition they deserved.

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Howard the Duck

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Unknown Soldier

You keep brining up this same point! Recognition exactly from who? The public, the media, music critics, their fellow artists etc?

Howard the Duck

^^I still think he/she's better off championing the Hollies

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eraser.time206

I said many posts ago that they didn't receive the recognition they deserved from the general public.

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