Farfisa

You are a fail troll, kill yourself.

s_k

His name already is kind of suspicious

Guys, I'm quitting this discussion right now.
It'll only end in me telling you guys you haven't got the ears I've got and you'll be telling me that I'm fooling myself. Let's just not do that, right?

It DOES work to regain readability, for a fact. So that's of use for the topic starter.

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GuitarBizarre

Actually I'm just going to tell you you're a condescending ass and that nothing you're saying addresses in any way the claims others have been making.

Why don't you stop hiding behind this bull**** and start actually engaging in a debate instead of trying to reduce everything down to semantics about personal experience that isn't relevant because your findings aren't reproducible by any trustworthy third party without a vested interest?

For every musician or recording engineer you can find who says green marker works, I can find you at least as many who think its bull****. For every test we can find where equipment has tested the medium and found it to make no difference, you have thus far not managed to even recognise the EXISTENCE of those forms of testing, instead you've glossed over them and come forth with a torrent of utter, utter crap in the hopes people will try and counter that argument rather than insisting upon their own.

Its simple misdirection and it doesn't lend you any credibility.

Tests and simple logic say that green marker doesn't work. Logic also states that if it did work, audiophile formats such as SACD and DVD-A would have them integrated as part of the marketing, as their limited production numbers would make the subsequent addition of an extra manufacturing step more feasible and less contentious, especially when attempting to appeal to an audiophile market.

Obviously this hasn't happened, because its patently obvious that it doesn't actually work. Confirmation bias in action ladies and gentlemen.

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jackhammer

Back to the OP, surely you would engage in dialogue with the buyer before purchasing a disc or have a description of the CD's quality and then make your own mind up whether to buy it?

No matter how rare an album is, if it's scratched to buggery then it is not worth it in the first place.

The discussion about CD deterioration is an interesting one. There is no doubt that CD-R's do deteriorate after a while but I have a couple of CD'S that are now 20 years old and still play absolutely fine. It does help if you look after them. I always put the CD back into it's case after use and I won't even leave a disc in a player overnight. Sad? Maybe but then I have paid money for something so I want to protect it and make it last.

Finally it truly does make a difference on what sort of AV equipment you use when it comes to scratches and I am not even talking about high end equipment either. Just like DVD players (even more picky when it comes to discs) the more you pay, the more chance you will have of it playing played with nary a hiccup. Put a scratched disc in a sub £100 player and invariably it struggles, the same for DVD too.

The toothpaste trick I have never even heard of but again I wouldn't buy a scratched disc in the first place or would certainly send it back if I got one.

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almauro

I'd rather buy a new CD, then sit there a draw on an old one with a marker. The sight of the green ring every time I pulled out the cd would ruin it for me.

There's a product called "Skip Fixer" that's a thick liquid that you apply on the scratch and let it dry, then buff it off with a lint free cloth. This minimizes the scratch to the point where the cd will play fine. If you want the scratch to disappear completely or if you have too many to buff down by hand, find a used cd store that has a machine that uses a similar liquid and mechanical buffers which will completely refinish the surface, making it look brand new. It's the same concept as buffing scratches out of glass or wood furniture. Before going through all this trouble, take the cd and place in front of a light make sure they're no "holes", or light showing through. If you do, the cd is damaged beyond repair.

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s_k

Could you get a grip of yourself? That really wasn't neccesary.

It's really simple; I'm not trying to CONVINCE anyone it's audible. I just say: I hear it, so it's there. I cannot even begin to think otherwise because it's been proven to me so many times.
I don't care about the theory behind it, I don't care if it's measureable and most of all I don't care if others agree.

A big deal is made out of it altough all I want to say is; It does for a fact improve readability with a data CD, so it might be useful for the topic starter.
I was stupid enough to add that it actually makes CD's sound better. Obviously I've had this discussion (and the same with cables, record clamps and so on) so many times...
I should have known better.

Now, can we PLEASE get back ontopic?

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s_k

Yeah well, I suppose this topic is about stuff that's not easy to lay your hands on. I by the way don't mind. It looks pathetic, but the biggest visual downside of a CD player is also the upside; You usually can't see the disc when it's playing

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Paedantic Basterd

S_K, why should anyone believe your personal bias over several scientific studies on the matter? It's not a fact. Cut that out, it's nonsense. I really don't care if you personally think it makes a difference, but it frustrates me to see you state your opinion as gospel and refuse any evidence to the contrary. It's hard to be respectful when discussing a topic with someone who keeps that kind of attitude.

s_k

Of course I refuse the contrary. I've heard the difference, how can I deny it?
Can't we just agree to disagree and move on please?

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GuitarBizarre

You could deny it by submitting to ABX testing, providing studies that show there is a noticable effect on sound quality beyond confirmation bias, etc etc.

Rather than what you are doing which is acting like a petulant child who won't address any of the criticism being levelled at him in a meaningful way. Reiterating over and over that you have heard a difference doesn't make any more logical sense than me claiming repeatedly to be the queen of france. I'm sure some lunatic out there fervently believes he IS the queen of france, it doesn't mean thats the truth!

I mean good lord, if I took people at their word like you're expecting, I'd be convinced of all sorts of bull****!

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