I confront my friend if they play popular music or enjoy a certain genre of music and explain why I think mine is superior to there's. We end up arguing but then most of my friend end up saying "well that is your opinion" and then try to agree to disagree. Here what my usual response is:

"Maybe it is my opinion but you haven't explained your point where as I have explained mine. Don't put your arguments on ice if you can't enter the heat of debate."

I don't hate mainstream music I just have a dislike to why someone would feel the need to write a piece of music that is so bland, boring and aimed at love sick 14 year old girls when most of the artists who write pop music are grown adults. Of course, this is stereotypical of me towards the genre of popular music and some adult woman will enjoy pop music.

If I'm in a club and a pop song comes I try my best to enjoy it. Even though I don't I try. Most of my friends know I hate the song so they usually start dancing in my face but meh. Everyone has their own music taste and aren't going to like what I like. However I will try to express my opinions and introduce humans to intelligent music.

Maybe I need to learn and understand that some people won't understand music that is "intelligent" or be able to get music that lyrically are constructed Metaphors, puns, imagery and euphemisms. Pop music is pop music and is probably needed for some people.

maybe that's because the market are mostly 14 y.o. girls

Correct, and surely some of the artists must only be in it for the money?
I mean some of them don't even write their own lyrics. Would that not suggest that the particular track has no meaning to that specific artist? I thought music is about putting your feelings, opinions and thoughts into music, not singing someone else's lyrics. For me, that's not enjoyable and in a way faking the way you actually are. You're not a good artist if you can only sing a song but fail with imagery and creativity.

it's always been a consumable device ever since Motown happened, and i mean stuff like The Supremes, which are "products"

i don't mean Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye or Smokey Robinson

I know where you're coming from.

I guessing I am being VERY stereotypical and balancing my argument more towards modern day mainstream "top 40" music.

Yep, 15 posted until you get banned.

Whoops. I slipped.

Probably shouldn't have admitted he was here to spam though.

I don't understand what the big deal is with hearing pop music every once and a while. It's not going to kill us. Everyone on this forum appreciates good serious music, but I find it hard to believe that we as music fans have that much of a problem with shallow pop music on occasion... I certainly don't. It doesn't bother me at all.

This thread has turned into the plot of "Footloose" (great movie, by the way, the original that is). Here's a good quote from "Footloose"...

Reverend Shaw Moore: "Even if this was not a law, which it is, I'm afraid I would have a lot of difficulty endorsing an enterprise which is as fraught with genuine peril as I believe this one to be. Besides the liquor and the drugs which always seem to accompany such an event the thing that distresses me even more, Ren, is the spiritual corruption that can be involved. These dances and this kind of music can be destructive, and, uh, Ren, I'm afraid you're going to find most of the people in our community are gonna agree with me on this."

Or, here's a great quote from Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho" (another classic film), which maybe better sums up the the juxtaposition of serious and pop music. Here's Bateman's take on the evolution of Genesis, from progressive to pop...

Patrick Bateman: “Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don’t you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as, uh, anything I’ve heard in rock… Phil Collins’ solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and, uh, Against All Odds… But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.”

That is alot of babies that are going to get punched.

He sings harmless nonsense! I know it isn't particularly great, but what kind of stuff do you expect the lad to sing? He's just trying to express himself, and being turned into a sex object in the process.

And by the way, you made fun of Beebs. Congratulations, you have excellent and subtle musical taste.