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On the other hand, I agree with Pedestrian that music is indeed intrinsic to language because language is more of a form of expression, and is about communicating that feeling. I personally don't think that this necessitates that all music must be a form of communication, but definitely a form of expression, if a distinction can be made. And before steveeden tries to correct me again, "necessitates" is a real word. |
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Just kidding, I completely agree, salami. I believe that some things are out of reach of the arm of science. I find it to be quite annoying that scientists believe that they have an answer for everything, such arrogance. |
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:laughing: I never liked the idea that we can narrow everything down to simple biological causes. If there's one thing I ever learned in biology, it's that the human brain is far more complicated than we can currently understand, and to deride music as some simple chemical impulsive urge... |
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I actually do know what this thread is about. I hope you do not have to discover what it is about the way I discovered. That's all. Just trying to help. I won't be around here much longer serving up spam. So, relax duga. And, hope I was just blowing off gas. I sure do. Since, it is a music site. I'll end with a song. It is a primal mating call. My Chemical Romance. Peace be unto you. |
Freud humour, I like it.
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The things is, what else could it be if not a "chemical impulsive urge"? |
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The first group are those who love magic tricks for the show. They love watching them, they think they're amazing, and they don't want to know how it works - for them, to reveal the "trick" would be to ruin the show. The second group are your "Scientists". These people love the tricks, but for them, the burning need to understand how it works isn't because they want to ruin it, but because knowing how would just make it better. The why is important to them, because the whys are what make the world wonderful to them. Anyone who says they are a scientist, and that they have an answer for everything, is not a scientist. One of the fundamental aspects of scientific method is the disregard for anything that does not follow from rigorous logical steps. If anything, we claim to know the "answer" to less, by virtue of the fact that we do not accept divine intervention (for the most part) as an answer. Music is a language. It's one of the most universal languages, which is part of what makes it so beautiful. No matter what language the song is in, no matter the culture of the composer of the piece, it has a unique ability to transcend cultural boundaries. Did it evolve? I would be inclined to say yes. It seems to fit with... it fits. It's a form of expression which fills what would otherwise be a void in our methods of expression. Did anyone ever have to teach you what different musical pieces meant? It just makes sense. The next question for me is why. I agree with your rebuttal of the concept of it evolving as a sexual "bird call". It doesn't negate the possibility that is started in that manner, but it's unlikely. If I were to hedge a theory, I would think it was the result of a spontaneous need for expression, inherent in our being - why? Because of the fact that music seems to have independently sprouted up in so many different parts of the world, Just as languages did. From there, it blossomed, because it is so wonderful a method of expression. We have music in our bones, in our blood. That it survived to grow as it did is just as obvious as the reason that language has blossomed. And like language, it has certainly evolved from its simple beginnings. Can we pin it down to a biological, geneological trait that has survived the ages? I'm... not so certain. There are books that I need to read - This is your Brain on Music has been on my shortlist for some time. I haven't studied it enough, and I wouldn't presume to have the answer ;) |
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Trust me, if there's one thing that mb has taught me, is that it's definitely not universal. |
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