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MoonlitSunshine 12-08-2011 08:40 AM

In theory, you could believe that an album is only marginally the best album ever, but it could be rated as far beyond anything else ever conceived. It would then be overrated. However, I don't think that much thought has gone into his statement :P

Chives 12-08-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1129638)
Sorry, but I've got to ask: How can you think an album is your favourite of all time, but also think it overrated?

Well, a lot of people get crazy over Sgt. Pepper. I happen to really enjoy listening to the album but the way some people talk about it like it's some magical, god-like entity (I haven't seen that response on Music Banter). It's a very important, very good album, and I listen to it a ton, but there are some minor things that urk me about the album. Basically, some people I know treat it as a perfect album when in reality it's just a good album.

Unknown Soldier 12-08-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chives (Post 1129708)
Well, a lot of people get crazy over Sgt. Pepper. I happen to really enjoy listening to the album but the way some people talk about it like it's some magical, god-like entity (I haven't seen that response on Music Banter). It's a very important, very good album, and I listen to it a ton, but there are some minor things that urk me about the album. Basically, some people I know treat it as a perfect album when in reality it's just a good album.

Its because its seen as the pinnacle achievement of the Beatles and like any album thats held in such high esteem, critics will always look for its flaws. Is it one of the best albums of all time? Most certainly, even if its just the second best album of 1967.

Salami 12-08-2011 12:02 PM

If you are interested in reading a review which does exactly that, allow Rolling Stone to elaborate:

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Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the most important rock & roll album ever made, an unsurpassed adventure in concept, sound, songwriting, cover art and studio technology by the greatest rock & roll group of all time. From the title song's regal blasts of brass and fuzz guitar to the orchestral seizure and long, dying piano chord at the end of "A Day in the Life," the thirteen tracks on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band are the pinnacle of the Beatles' eight years as recording artists. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were never more fearless and unified in their pursuit of magic and transcendence.

Issued in Britain on June 1st, 1967, and a day later in America,Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is also rock's ultimate declaration of change. For the Beatles, it was a decisive goodbye to matching suits, world tours and assembly-line record-making. "We were fed up with being Beatles," McCartney said decades later, in Many Years From Now, Barry Miles' McCartney biography. "We were not boys, we were men . . . artists rather than performers."

At the same time, Sgt. Pepper formally ushered in an unforgettable season of hope, upheaval and achievement: the late 1960s and, in particular, 1967's Summer of Love. In its iridescent instrumentation, lyric fantasias and eye-popping packaging, Sgt. Pepper defined the opulent revolutionary optimism of psychedelia and instantly spread the gospel of love, acid, Eastern spirituality and electric guitars around the globe. No other pop record of that era, or since, has had such an immediate, titanic impact. This music documents the world's biggest rock band at the very height of its influence and ambition. "It was a peak," Lennon confirmed in his 1970 Rolling Stone interview, describing both the album and his collaborative relationship with McCartney. "Paul and I definitely were working together," Lennon said, and Sgt. Pepper is rich with proof: McCartney's burst of hot piano and school-days memoir ("Woke up, fell out of bed . . . ") in Lennon's "A Day in the Life," a reverie on mortality and infinity; Lennon's impish rejoinder to McCartney's chorus in "Getting Better" ("It can't get no worse").

"Sgt. Pepper was our grandest endeavor," Starr said, looking back, in the 2000 autobiography The Beatles Anthology. "The greatest thing about the band was that whoever had the best idea — it didn't matter who — that was the one we'd use. No one was standing on their ego, saying, 'Well, it's mine,' and getting possessive." It was Neil Aspinall, the Beatles' longtime assistant, who suggested they reprise the title track, just before the grand finale of "A Day in the Life," to complete Sgt. Pepper's theatrical conceit: an imaginary concert by a fictional band, played by the Beatles.

The first notes went to tape on December 6th, 1966: two takes of McCartney's music-hall confection "When I'm Sixty-Four." (Lennon's lysergic reflection on his Liverpool childhood, "Strawberry Fields Forever," was started two weeks earlier but issued in February 1967 as a stand-alone single.) But Sgt. Pepper's real birthday is August 29th, 1966, when the Beatles played their last live concert, in San Francisco. Until then, they had made history in the studio — Please Please Me (1963), Rubber Soul (1965), Revolver (1966) — between punishing tours. Off the road for good, the Beatles were free to be a band away from the hysteria of Beatlemania. McCartney went a step further. On a plane to London in November '66, as he returned from a vacation in Kenya, he came up with the idea of an album by the Beatles in disguise, an alter-ego group that he subsequently dubbed Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. "We'd pretend to be someone else," McCartney explained in Anthology. "It liberated you — you could do anything when you got to the mike or on your guitar, because it wasn't you."

Only two songs on the final LP, both McCartney's, had anything to do with the Pepper character: the title track and Starr's jaunty vocal showcase "With a Little Help From My Friends," introduced as a number by Sgt. Pepper's star crooner, Billy Shears. "Every other song could have been on any other album," Lennon insisted later. Yet it is hard to imagine a more perfect setting for the Victorian jollity of Lennon's "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!" (inspired by an 1843 circus poster) or the sumptuous melancholy of McCartney's "Fixing a Hole," with its blend of antique shadows (a harpsichord played by the Beatles' producer George Martin) and modern sunshine (double-tracked lead guitar executed with ringing precision by Harrison). The Pepper premise was a license to thrill.

It also underscored the real-life cohesion of the music and the group that made it. Of the 700 hours the Beatles spent making Sgt. Pepper (engineer Geoff Emerick actually tallied them) from the end of 1966 until April 1967, the group needed only three days' worth to complete Lennon's lavish daydream "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds." "A Day in the Life," the most complex song on the album, was done in just five days. (The oceanic piano chord was three pianos hit simultaneously by ten hands belonging to Lennon, McCartney, Starr, Martin and Beatles roadie Mal Evans.) No other Beatles appear with Harrison on his sitar-perfumed sermon on materialism and fidelity, "Within You Without You," but the band wisely placed the track at the halfway point of the original vinyl LP, at the beginning of Side Two: a vital meditation break in the middle of the jubilant indulgence.

The Beatles' exploitation of multitracking on Sgt. Pepper transformed the very act of studio recording (the orchestral overdubs on "A Day in the Life" marked the debut of eight-track recording in Britain: two four-track machines used in sync). And Sgt. Pepper's visual extravagance officially elevated the rock album cover to a Work of Art. Michael Cooper's photo of the Beatles in satin marching-band outfits, in front of a cardboard-cutout audience of historical figures, created by artist Peter Blake, is the most enduring image of the psychedelic era. Sgt. Pepper was also the first rock album to incorporate complete lyrics to the songs in its design.

Yet Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the Number One album of the RS 500 not just because of its firsts — it is simply the best of everything the Beatles ever did as musicians, pioneers and pop stars, all in one place. A 1967 British print ad for the album declared, "Remember Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Is the Beatles." As McCartney put it, the album was "just us doing a good show."

The show goes on forever.

Janszoon 12-08-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolling Stone
For the Beatles, it was a decisive goodbye to matching suits...

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Really?

Salami 12-08-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1129713)
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Really?

Four smilies?

I knew Rolling Stone was never a match for Janszoon!

There are so many pieces of unnecessary pomposity in there, I present you with a choice few:

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"We were not boys, we were men . . . artists rather than performers."
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Sgt. Pepper defined the opulent revolutionary optimism of psychedelia and instantly spread the gospel of love, acid, Eastern spirituality and electric guitars around the globe.
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The show goes on forever.

s_k 12-08-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1129546)
Don`t underestimate yourself, looking at your list, you can probably teach some people quite a bit, there`s a lot of great classic and forgotten releases on it.

Well thanks :). I'll see what I can do.

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That Styx album btw, is easily their poorest from their mid to late 1970s golden era, as is only really on there because it contained "Babe", the rest of the album is quite bland.
I, in general, don't like that kind of 'eighties rock'. Which is why I only play boat on the river, as it's so different from all the other Styx tracks I've heard. Or did I really miss out on something?

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I never said I disliked the original FWM, just that I preferred the second incarnation (proper) of the band. I`m actually a huge fan of blues rock in general, but I happen to think that a lot of the artists of that genre performed far better live than they did on their studio recordings. Ten Years After are a perfect example.
Well, I obviously prefer these old Ten Years After albums to FWM. It's just... Well I don't like pop music I guess. And the later Fleetwood mac is zo... poppy, so aimed to be loved by many. It's disturbing.

captaincaptain 12-08-2011 07:35 PM

Great albums, but due to the status quo you will rarely see "music experts" change things up.

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles - 2 years
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys - 1 year
3. Revolver - The Beatles - In the past year for the first time.
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan - 3-4 years
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles - 2 years
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye - 8 years
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones - I've listened to this about a dozen times in the past year
8. London Calling - The Clash - At least a half of dozen times in the past month
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan - 3 years
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles - This year
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley - A year ago
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis - A long time
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground - This year
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles - 2 years
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience - 8 years
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan - 2 yers
17. Nevermind - Nirvana - This year, the remastered version
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen - 2 years
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison - A couple of weeks ago
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson - When he kicked the bucket
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry - Never though I've probably heard all the songs on it.
22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon - Only select songs
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder - 5 years
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown - This year
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac - This year
26. The Joshua Tree - U2 - 2 years
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson - 10 years
28. Who's Next - The Who - 4 years
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin - This year
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell - A couple of weeks ago

Howard the Duck 12-08-2011 07:53 PM

addendum:-

Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen - isn't really remarkable, except for the title track and Jungleland - much prefer Nebraska

captaincaptain 12-08-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1129910)
addendum:-

Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen - isn't really remarkable, except for the title track and Jungleland - much prefer Nebraska

Nebraska is definitely better and I consider it his "masterpiece". The Boss was always sounded better without the E Street Band.

starrynight 12-09-2011 02:11 AM

I prefer the Springsteen live album 1975-85.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1130057)
I prefer the Springsteen live album 1975-85.

i've heard some songs from it - his cover of "Chimes of Freedom" is beyond horrible

starrynight 12-09-2011 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chives (Post 1129708)
Well, a lot of people get crazy over Sgt. Pepper. I happen to really enjoy listening to the album but the way some people talk about it like it's some magical, god-like entity (I haven't seen that response on Music Banter). It's a very important, very good album, and I listen to it a ton, but there are some minor things that urk me about the album. Basically, some people I know treat it as a perfect album when in reality it's just a good album.

No point worrying about what other people think, most people just jump on bandwagons to make up for not listening to so much music. These kind of lists are as much for those people as anything, to make them feel they can know the 'important' albums, even if the reality is they are barely skimming the surface of music.

starrynight 12-09-2011 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130058)
i've heard some songs from it - his cover of "Chimes of Freedom" is beyond horrible

I'm sure it's not a perfect album but I can just dip into it. His live sound can just sound more alive than in the studio at times.

Engine 12-09-2011 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1130059)
No point worrying about what other people think, most people just jump on bandwagons to make up for not listening to so much music. These kind of lists are as much for those people as anything, to make them feel they can know the 'important' albums, even if the reality is they are barely skimming the surface of music.

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1130060)
I'm sure it's not a perfect album but I can just dip into it. His live sound can just sound more alive than in the studio at times.

Bruce Springsteen is fucking awful. Yes, I know, Nebraska is blah important blah but he's probably the most cringe-worthy artist on the list.
Anyway, this thread isn't about 'best of' lists or even this specific one. Urban's idea about what to do with it is a good one.
Let's all please stop talking about the frustrating banality of lists like this before I spit up on myself and have to spend more quarters at the laundromat.

starrynight 12-09-2011 04:02 AM

His studio stuff can sound awful, though I've always liked Dancing in the Dark. :D

One album missing from the list here is the Miles Davis album 'Kind of Blue', the album that those who want to make out that they know jazz say is amazing even though it's probably the only jazz album they know and they have nothing to compare it to.

Anyway as far as the idea of when I listen to albums like these the answer is not very often. I like discovering new stuff (whether recent or old) so I spend most of my time doing that than hearing things I already know.

Guybrush 12-09-2011 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1130072)
One album missing from the list here is the Miles Davis album 'Kind of Blue', the album that those who want to make out that they know jazz say is amazing even though it's probably the only jazz album they know and they have nothing to compare it to.

It's right there at nr. 12.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 1129201)
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis

I listened to it a couple of days ago. I largely agree with you and think that any person who considers themselves interested in music (and not just a small fraction of it) needs to get this one because they should listen to something from Miles Davis and they should check out the world's best selling jazz album at some point to see what the fuzz is about. I also think it's a very good album, a natural recommendation and, hopefully, a gateway into (more) jazz for those who check it out.

starrynight 12-09-2011 04:18 AM

Obviously I didn't look closely enough. :D I think there are a couple of good tracks, the rest sound average. Miles Davis was obviously a very good musician, but there is an awful lot more to jazz than just him or this album as well.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1130076)
I listened to it a couple of days ago. I largely agree with you and think that any person who considers themselves interested in music (and not just a small fraction of it) needs to get this one because they should listen to something from Miles Davis and they should check out the world's best selling jazz album at some point to see what the fuzz is about. I also think it's a very good album, a natural recommendation and, hopefully, a gateway into (more) jazz for those who check it out.

it's bollocks compared to On the Corner

starrynight 12-09-2011 04:34 AM

People always say that A Kind of Blue leads people to listen to other jazz, but I wonder how true that actually is? How many people have it as their only or one of their few jazz albums, and maybe like it a bit but not hugely but will reassure themselves that it's a classic because of passed down 'wisdom' through the years.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1130079)
People always say that A Kind of Blue leads people to listen to other jazz, but I wonder how true that actually is? How many people have it as their only or one of their few jazz albums, and maybe like it a bit but not hugely but will reassure themselves that it's a classic because of passed down 'wisdom' through the years.

my first Miles is actually Birth of The Cool intrigued to get his other stuff - i only got Kind of Blue 2 years ago, even though there was massive hype about it and i found the hype unjustified

Guybrush 12-09-2011 07:45 AM

I think Kind of Blue possesses a subtle beauty that I find hard to describe. The flowing, subtly shifting keys and melodies, the laidback delight of listening to it. Put it on, lean back, close your eyes and relax and it's just bliss. Every musician in that perfect line-up does a great job. I think it's a very nice change of pace compared to his hard boppers from earlier in the 50s.

Of course, if you don't like it, you don't and that's hard to argue with.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 07:53 AM

it's too much "easy listening" for me

i'm not surprised if it was primarily responsible for making jazz an accessible commodity and stuff like "soft jazz"

i mean i play modal jazz but i put in some caustic atonal notes here and there

Guybrush 12-09-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130129)
i mean i play modal jazz but i put in some caustic atonal notes here and there

Are you suggesting that this is what Miles should've done on Kind of Blue?

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1130131)
Are you suggesting that this is what Miles should've done on Kind of Blue?

yes, some sort of challenge to the ears would be nice

which is why i like the "unlistenable" stuff he put out in the early 70s

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-09-2011 08:44 AM

I guess I should include mine in this thread being the threadstarter and all...

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
My friends Dad was a massive Beatles fan and would listen to this in his van when he would take us places all the time. He died when I was in my early 20s so I guess the last time I heard this would have been in my mid - late teens in the early 90s.

2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
Like 2 songs off this, bought this for next to nothing around 10 years ago so I guess that was the last time I ever played the whole thing.

3. Revolver - The Beatles
The only Beatles album I'll play by choice. I think the last time I heard it was when I included it in the Urban 100, so around 6 years ago.

4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
Bought it around 5 or 6 years ago, found it a bit boring, never played it again.

5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
See Sgt Pepper

6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
I seem to remember about 3 or 4 years ago where we did this Mods review albums suggested by other Mods. R-T suggested this album so I listened to it then.

7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones
8. London Calling - The Clash
I have a thing about listening to double albums at work (Yesterday it was Tago Mago) and I listen to these two albums quite often, I would easily have listened to them sometime in the last 3 months.

9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan
According to Last FM I last played this album on 1st December 2006, which was a couple of days after I saw Primal Scream in London, I seem to remember buying this in Gatwick airport on the way home to make up the numbers in a buy 3 for the price of 2 thing they had going.

10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles
Had this bought for me for my birthday, also for that birthday I received Radiohead's Amnesiac album when it had just came out so that should date it for you. Never played it the whole way through.

11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley
Never heard it, wouldn't mind though.

12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
Downloaded a torrent of Miles Davis stuff around 5 years ago. Think I played this once around that time. Not really a jazz person but I prefer On The Corner & Bitches Brew.

13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground
If I ever listen to The Velvet Underground it's without Nico, not heard the whole thing but the bits I have heard put me off.

14. Abbey Road - The Beatles
See Sgt Pepper

15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Whenever I listen to Hendrix I usually put on Electric Ladyland, Axis Bold as Love, The BBC Sessions or a live album, I hardly listen to this album for some reason. The last time I would have heard this was when I was uploading it onto my hard drive when I first bought my computer (23rd Jun 2007 ... thanks again Last FM)

16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
Bought it the same time as Blonde On Blonde (last listened 23 December 2006 - Last FM)

17. Nevermind - Nirvana
Mid 90s at least. didn't even listen to it when I included it in the Urban 100

18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen
Never

19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison
Never, Will probably end up checking it out in the future.

20. Thriller - Michael Jackson
One of my best friends at school was a massive Jacko fan, in fact his whole fucking family were. When you went to their house as you walked through the front door you were greeted by a massive mirror with Jacko in his Billie Jean gear in such a pose that it looked like he had been impaled up the arse with a wooden stake and whenever I went around there he'd always listen to the Thriller album so much so I never felt the need to ever listen to it again. I'm guessing this would have been around 1988/89.

21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry
Never even heard of this album until today.

22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

Yeah **** off.

23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
I love love love love love this album.
In fact I listened to it at work yesterday

24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown
Owned 2 & 3 for years, only got around to getting the original very recently. Not had chance to hear it yet.

25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
Used to work with a woman who would play their greatest hits over and over and over and over and over again.
She never married.
I wonder why.

Oh Rumours?
Never heard it, never want to either.

26. The Joshua Tree - U2
Another friend at school, this one totally obsessed by U2, played this to death at his house when it came out and for the next subsequent 3 years. so last time I heard it would have been around 1990. Saw the same guy for the first time in 20 years at a rock festival in the summer. He was almost in tears at how awful they were at Glastonbury and how much of a parody of themselves they had become.

27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson
Listened to the Complete Recordings around 5 or 6 years ago.

28. Who's Next - The Who
Never really liked this album much but it has a couple of decent songs on it. Like Are You Experienced I last heard it when I put it on my new computer in the summer of 2007.

29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
If I want to listen to Led Zeppelin I'll put on LZIII or Presence. Hardly touch this one. I'm guessing sometime in the mid 90s was when I last heard this.

30. Blue - Joni Mitchell
The only time I'll ever listen to this is if some hot chick happens to have it on at the time I'm about to plough her.

bob. 12-09-2011 09:47 AM

in their entirety....hmmmm

i suppose i should start with dropping a bombshell


i don't like Bob Dylan.....at all


1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
probably within the last year
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
never....i mean i've probably heard all the songs from this album....but i don;t think i've ever sat down and listened to it
3. Revolver - The Beatles
maybe two years ago
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
never...see above
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
in the last month....i was raised on this albuim
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
never
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones
hmmmm....maybe 10 years ago
8. London Calling - The Clash
maybe 20 years ago.....never really liked the Clash....but this is an essential album
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan

nope
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles
i find this album to be boring and quite stupid.....maybe 15 years ago
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley
i don't thionk i've ever listened to this
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
never....don't really like jazz much....save free jazz
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground
last year
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles
15 years ago
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
15 years or so
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
i will refuse
17. Nevermind - Nirvana
last month....i just bought the deluxe remaster
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen
sometime in the late 80s
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison
never
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson
1982-3....god my sister ****ing loved this album and played it to death
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry
never
22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon

about a year ago
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
never
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown
never
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
sometime in the late 80s....my cousin made me listen to the entire album
26. The Joshua Tree - U2
when did this come out....87 so yeah probably then
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson
uhhhh never
28. Who's Next - The Who
hmmmm maybe 10 years ago
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
i wopuld rather die a violent death than listen to ANY led zeppelin album
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell
never

Guybrush 12-09-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130137)
yes, some sort of challenge to the ears would be nice

which is why i like the "unlistenable" stuff he put out in the early 70s

I have a problem getting into the list mentality. Some if not most people are so eager to figure out which one out of a bunch is better and rank them according to usually very vague criteria. I like Miles Davis fusion experimentations on albums like In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew or A Tribute to Jack Johnson. But I also greatly appreciate Kind of Blue. Instead of focusing on which is better and instead of complaining about Kind of Blue not being edgy enough, why not just try and embrace all of it?

Some days I might be in the mood for Bitches Brew. Other days, I might prefer Kind of Blue. I don't feel a need to rank them and I appreciate that he made different sounding records.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 1130210)
I have a problem getting into the list mentality. Some if not most people are so eager to figure out which one out of a bunch is better and rank them according to usually very vague criteria. I like Miles Davis fusion experimentations on albums like In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew or A Tribute to Jack Johnson. But I also greatly appreciate Kind of Blue. Instead of focusing on which is better and instead of complaining about Kind of Blue not being edgy enough, why not just try and embrace all of it?

Some days I might be in the mood for Bitches Brew. Other days, I might prefer Kind of Blue. I don't feel a need to rank them and I appreciate that he made different sounding records.

i go through phases

first it was the "cool jazz" period

then his last few "hip-hop/electronica"

then his jazz-rock fusion

then his avant-garde

then his 3rd Quintet near-fusion

now i'm into his wah-wah'ed trumpet, raucous noise live period

never really liked his "modal jazz" period - i think Monk did a better job with "Brilliant Corners" for that kinda thing, even if it's not really "modal" in theory

MoonlitSunshine 12-09-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130129)
it's too much "easy listening" for me

i'm not surprised if it was primarily responsible for making jazz an accessible commodity and stuff like "soft jazz"

i mean i play modal jazz but i put in some caustic atonal notes here and there

That's kinda the thing though - it's an accessible Jazz album that's still very solid and true to the genre. It's hard to appreciate the crazier stuff until you have been initiated to the genre in general - it's like the way that you wouldn't necessarily recommend your favourite album by an artist to someone who hasn't listened to them before - you want to find the album that'll appeal to them the most to start off with, and let them ease themselves into it.

@Bob: I think not liking Bob Dylan isn't an uncommon point of view on this forum :P

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 11:55 AM

^^yeah we Dylan fans are in the minority here

Goofle 12-09-2011 12:30 PM

Il Duce > Miles Davis

s_k 12-09-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130129)
it's too much "easy listening" for me

Which is very practical if you want to introduce people to Jazz.
I like "Kind of blue" but I see your point.
I've always preferred Kenny Dorham's Quiet Kenny for that reason.
It's still a pleasure to listen to, not too hard on the ears, but it's a bit more challenging than Kind of Blue :).

s_k 12-09-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1130237)
^^yeah we Dylan fans are in the minority here

Pick me, pick me!
Dylan fan very much.
Except for his religious 70s and 80's.

Howard the Duck 12-09-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k (Post 1130275)
Pick me, pick me!
Dylan fan very much.
Except for his religious 70s and 80's.

he only made 2 and a 1/2 religious albums (Christian) and 1 Judaistic song

the rest of the 70s and 80s Dylan aren't religious at all

jackhammer 12-09-2011 06:31 PM

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles 10 + years. Apart from A Day In The Life I don't like it much at all and I grew up with The Beatles.
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys Only listened to it once. Did absolutely nothing for me.
3. Revolver - The Beatles About 5 years ago however Eleanor Rigby is a brilliant track.
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan I will get stick for this for this because I don't really like Dylan at all but I really like this album and have it on CD. I think it was a couple of months back.
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles Probably 5 years + again. I know The Beatles so well that I don't actually listen to them all that much.
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye A couple of months back. Apart from the meandering middle section, it's a cracking album.
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones Never heard it. Not much of a Stones fan at all.
8. London Calling - The Clash A couple of weeks back. Love it.
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan probably around 5 years ago. Can't remember much about it.
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles Once and that was probably 10 years ago. It's hard work.
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley Cannot stand Elvis Presley.
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis Around a year ago. Sketches Of Spain and Arghata are far better.
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground Around 18 months ago. I really have to be in the mood for it but if I am then it's a damn good listen.
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles About a year. Their best album for me. I want You is absolute class.
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience At least once a month probably. Absolutely love this album.
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob DylanOnce. Again can't remember much.
17. Nevermind - Nirvana bleach is far better. Probably 7 or 8 years, it's just sat on my CD shelf gathering dust but it has some great tunes.
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen Once. Bored the **** out of me.
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison Around 18 months ago. Have to be in the mood.
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson Never.
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck BerryNever
22. Plastic Ono Band - John LennonNever
23. Innervisions - Stevie WonderAround 5 years ago. A very patchy album. One day I like it and another it annoys me.
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown Never but I do like James Brown.
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac3 years ago maybe? Does what it says on the tin and has some great songs on it for sure. You Make Loving Fun is class.
26. The Joshua Tree - U2 4 tracks are superb - Bullet The Blue Sky, In God's Country, Exit and Mother Of The Disappeared, the rest annoys the hell out of me so at least 5 years.
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson Less than a year ago. When the mood takes me I will listen to this and Sun House and drench myself in classic blues.
28. Who's Next - The Who 3 years ago. Don't really like it all that much but then The Who don't do a huge amount for me anyhow.
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin At least 10 years, some great songs on here but just not a big Zep fan but Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You and Dazed and Confused are superb.
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell Around 5 years ago. I much prefer Hejira, it's her masterpiece in my eyes.

loveissucide 12-11-2011 06:27 PM

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles :3 years ago
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys :18 months ago, prefer Brian Wilson's Smile
3. Revolver - The Beatles :3 weeks ago
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan :3 months ago.
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles: 3 weeks ago, love it.
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye :Never
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones: Never, if I feel like Stones I generally listen to Let It Bleed.
8. London Calling - The Clash :10 months ago, like it a lot though
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan :Never the whole way through
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles : 5 months ago
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley :Never
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis :6 months ago
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground :2 years ago
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles :4 years ago, really don't like it.
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience :Never
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan :3 months ago
17. Nevermind - Nirvana : 4 years ago
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen : Last week, love it.
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison : 5 years ago.Prefer Moondance
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson :Somepoint shortly after he died
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry :Never
22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon :Never
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder : Last week
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown :2 years ago (prefer Sex Machine)
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac :2 months ago
26. The Joshua Tree - U2 :About a year ago
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson :Never
28. Who's Next - The Who :Never
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin :4 years ago
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell :Never

NEWGUY562 05-04-2012 08:47 PM

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles - Today - I can understand how it changed pop music but definitely over-rated and never been one of my favorites by The Beatles.

2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys- Yesterday - At first i thought it was another album praised by the critics that i wasn't going to see the beauty in. Well I was wrong every single song off it is amazing..definitely not for everyone though mostly for avid music listeners not "don't bore us straight to the chorus" listeners.

3. Revolver - The Beatles- Today

5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles- Today - The Beatles album that got me into the group. If it wasn't for this album we would've never got pet sounds, that's it.

6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye- 5 Months Ago - I never been a big fan of Marvin Gaye or Motown but I must admit this album is a masterpiece.

7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones- Last Week - It took me a whole year to even get into this album but once i became a hardcore stones fan i learned to appreciate it and eventually I grew to love it..really important album in their catalog.

10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles- Today - The album is so mismatched there are songs i love and songs i absolutely hate.

11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley- Two Days Ago - He's the king of rock for a reason anyone that's not familiar with his work check this out.

14. Abbey Road - The Beatles- Has a special place in my heart.

17. Nevermind - Nirvana- 5 Years Ago - Good album by over-rated band.

20. Thriller - Michael Jackson- 2 Years Ago - Every song off this album is great definitely a special album for me as a child. *moonwalking*

28. Who's Next - The Who- 2 Months Ago - Not my favorite by the who but do love every song on this album...The Who Sell Out is better imo.

29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin- Last Month - As crazy as this is going to sound i like 4 Led Zeppelin albums more than this. Still a nice effort from one of the best groups to do it.

hip hop bunny hop 05-05-2012 07:49 PM

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1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
3. Revolver - The Beatles
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones
8. London Calling - The Clash
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
17. Nevermind - Nirvana
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry
22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
26. The Joshua Tree - U2
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson
28. Who's Next - The Who
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
17. Nevermind - Nirvana
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder

These are the only albums from this list I've ever listened to. I've heard bits from other artists and have a few albums by others, but not these particular ones.

I'm really not interested in most proper rock or classic rock. At all. Since I was twelve or so I listened almost exclusively to music I found out about myself, so my listening habits are odd. That and having industrial and extreme metal being the basis of my musical knowledge and exposure kind of ****s up the whole classic rock thing.

Mojo 05-06-2012 04:42 AM

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
Maybe a year ago. I like it but it isnt one of my Beatles favourites.
2. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
Maybe a year and a half ago. I dont like it.
3. Revolver - The Beatles
Probably 6 months ago. I bought it on CD years ago on holiday in Florida and just recently bought it again on vinyl.
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
Quite a long time ago. Maybe 2 years. I do like it but i havent listened to much Dylan in a while.
5. Rubber Soul - The Beatles
Again I'd say a year ago.
6. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye
Never.
7. Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones
Two to three years ago. I used to love it. I probably still would but it hasnt had a spin in a long time.
8. London Calling - The Clash
3 to 4 years ago. I like the debut but I never got away with this one.
9. Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan
Two to three years ago.
10. The Beatles ("The White Album") - The Beatles
Six months ago.
11. The Sun Sessions - Elvis Presley
Never.
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
I'm listening to Bitches Brew right now, could be about a year or two for this one.
13. Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground
Never. I've heard some kind of VU compilation I still have on CD but thats it.
14. Abbey Road - The Beatles
Couple of years ago.
15. Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
A few weeks ago.
16. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
Probably a year and a half. Used to be my favourite Dylan record.
17. Nevermind - Nirvana
I picked this up on CD maybe 3 months ago, as its one of those I never actually owned, despite having a CD-R since school. It could be four years or more since I actually listened to it though.
18. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen
Never.
19. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison
Never.
20. Thriller - Michael Jackson
Not so long ago. A few months ago. Definitely went back to it a few times since he died.
21. The Great Twenty-Eight - Chuck Berry
I like Chuck Berry but never heard this. Just compilations, I think.
22. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon
I think I listened to this once, maybe 5 years ago or more.
23. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder
Never.
24. Live at the Apollo - James Brown
Never.
25. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
Never.
26. The Joshua Tree - U2
Years. I must have been in school. Could be 10 years.
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1 - Robert Johnson
Three years, maybe. I wanted to like it but I couldnt get into it. Maybe time for another go.
28. Who's Next - The Who
Within the last year. It comes out every now and then still.
29. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Within the last six months, id say.
30. Blue - Joni Mitchell
Within the last 18 months. I went through a Joni Mitchell phase but havent revisited in a while.


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