Modernism - is demonstration the end of expressionism?

starrynight · 02-20-2012, 05:38 PM

It's the far more some of the audience that doesn't understand, they need to listen to more stuff then they will see where the good music is and where the worst stuff is. And why worry about the worst stuff in any genre? Concentrate on the good. The problem is that blanket judgements tend to be made from the position of ignorance (of not actually listening to enough or even trying to) and just making the usual general comments against 'modernism'.

hip hop bunny hop · 02-20-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubato

Over the past century music has been going through many changes, our traditional systems are being thrown out as people are opting for more anti-conventional techniques. While this has brought us much innovation it seems to have crippled the expressive nature of music as composers are now attempting to be innovative for the sake of being innovative; the goal of composition seems to have become a need for someone to make a name for them-selves rather than simply to express.

I agree 100%; there is a popular notion that novelty or difference has an intrinsic value.

As starrynight stated in his first post in this thread, There will always be different kinds of music for different people...While we are around though there will continue to be good music and art produced. . The problem is when musical taste becomes a sort of social signifier; of class, education, & political beliefs (etc.), as then some people will opt to like music (or at least claim to like certain music) to fit into their desired social scene.

I know some praise this type of self-sorting, but it strikes me as horrible; dystopian, even.

Neapolitan · 02-20-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubato

atonality - a term that makes no sense but somehow managed to become standardised through much use before anyone could argue the concept.

"Atonality" means the piece does not have tonal center, there's no root note. Generally speaking, a music piece (with a tonal center) has a key (a root note A to G#), a scale/mode (Major, minor etc), a chord progression (e.g. I - IV - V etc), and a melody (and the notes in the melody generally corresponds to the notes in the chord) and form how sections of the piece or song is arranged (art music: ABAB folk:AABB or pop music: ABACAB i.e. verse chorus verse bridge verse chorus). I'm not familiar with atonal music, I don't listen to it. So I'm guessing it doesn't have some of those characteristics of tonal music, how much I don't know.

~~Rubato~~ · 02-21-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

"Atonality" means the piece does not have tonal center, there's no root note. Generally speaking, a music piece (with a tonal center) has a key (a root note A to G#), a scale/mode (Major, minor etc), a chord progression (e.g. I - IV - V etc), and a melody (and the notes in the melody generally corresponds to the notes in the chord) and form how sections of the piece or song is arranged (art music: ABAB folk:AABB or pop music: ABACAB i.e. verse chorus verse bridge verse chorus). I'm not familiar with atonal music, I don't listen to it. So I'm guessing it doesn't have some of those characteristics of tonal music, how much I don't know.

But just because traditional tonality has used a notes closest relations of the harmonic series doesn't make a system that uses more distant relationships lack tonality. The only difference is that the music becomes more relative than functional while those relationships are still new to us.

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