Favourite debut album

Screen13 · 06-03-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

It would have been released in 1966 if there wasn't so much opposition from the record companies (irrelevant point to make, I know, but just felt like pointing that out).

But yea, I'll go ahead and say The Velvet Underground & Nico as well as Watashi Dake by Keiji Haino. No single album has ever impacted my taste in music like VU's debut, and Haino's debut is well... just read this.

Not too irrelevant, actually. It's always important to know these things.

NEWGUY562 · 06-03-2012, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0

Jack said himself that Meg is the best drummer he could ever play with. Make what you want out of that but The White Stripes wouldn't have sounded like The White Stripes without her.

I hate her :/

Howard the Duck · 06-03-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NEWGUY562

I hate her :/

oh come on - what would be the White Stripes be without her?

The Raconteurs?

NEWGUY562 · 06-03-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

oh come on - what would be the White Stripes be without her?

The Raconteurs?

I guess you're right there is no White Stripes with out her.

Vertigo · 06-03-2012, 07:45 AM

No, Meg wasn't the best drummer, 'straight forward four on the floor' I think I remember it being described once. However, there was a chemistry, particular on stage that just worked. Not every track was down to Jack's incredible playing, Meg was just an important part of The White Stripes as Jack was. Strange that, in my opinion at least, Jack has come nowhere near the same levels with more accomplished musicians surrounding him.

Howard the Duck · 06-03-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vertigo

No, Meg wasn't the best drummers, 'straight forward four on the floor' I think I remember it being described once. However, there was a chemistry, particular on stage that just worked. Not every track was down to Jack's incredible playing, Meg was just an important part of The White Stripes as Jack was. Strange that, in my opinion at least, Jack has come nowhere near the same levels with more accomplished musicians surrounding him.

Jack's good at what he does

i don't rate him on a "technical" basis

Vertigo · 06-03-2012, 08:04 AM

I couldn't comment on his playing from a technical point of view, as I don't have the knowledge or experience to do so, but I do think he's a very influential guitarist.

**Frownland** · 06-03-2012, 08:18 AM

Both Jack and Meg take their somewhat limited skills and make something great out of them. In my opinion, I think that's far more impressive than an amazingly technical and speedy group of musicians playing scales.

On my favourite debut album(s), I'd have to say that it's a huge tie between these fellows.

Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe As Milk

This is my favourite blues album, it captures Vliet and the other bandmates (with the inclusion of Ry Cooder) at a time before they went off of the cliff into avant-gardism, and it also serves as a good eye-opener to Beefheartedness when introducing people to his works. Not my favourite flavour of beef, but this album still gets a 10/10.

Zu - Bromio

Dericulous album cover, brilliant album. This album is more brass heavy than their other works, but being the amazing band that they are, they make it work. I love everything that these guys have done, and this album is no exception.

Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle

Hell, what hasn't been said about this album? Much more ska and metal oriented than their better works (Disco Volante) and it's another eye-opener to Pattonism like Milk is an eye-opener to Beefland.

miRthkon - Vehicle

Jesus, this album is brilliant. It's miRthkon's only release, unfortunately, but it blows my socks off every time that I listen to it. This one goes up there with the greats of jazz/rock/avant-garde/(insert genre here)/fusion/brilliance.

Jandek's Ready for the House, the VU and Nico, and AMMMusic 1966 all get honorable mention as well.

Howard the Duck · 06-03-2012, 08:23 AM

pretty good intro to whatever brouhaha that followed:-

better this than "For Sale", IMHO

duga · 06-03-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

pretty good intro to whatever brouhaha that followed:-

better this than "For Sale", IMHO

All their early albums are a tossup for me. Maybe I just haven't given them all a good enough listen, but I'm one of those guys who puts a clear division between their early stuff and later stuff (or pre-LSD and post-LSD if you will).

06-03-2012, 07:45 AM	#75 (permalink)
Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	No, Meg wasn't the best drummer, 'straight forward four on the floor' I think I remember it being described once. However, there was a chemistry, particular on stage that just worked. Not every track was down to Jack's incredible playing, Meg was just an important part of The White Stripes as Jack was. Strange that, in my opinion at least, Jack has come nowhere near the same levels with more accomplished musicians surrounding him. Last edited by Vertigo; 06-03-2012 at 08:02 AM.

06-03-2012, 08:18 AM	#78 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Both Jack and Meg take their somewhat limited skills and make something great out of them. In my opinion, I think that's far more impressive than an amazingly technical and speedy group of musicians playing scales. On my favourite debut album(s), I'd have to say that it's a huge tie between these fellows. Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe As Milk This is my favourite blues album, it captures Vliet and the other bandmates (with the inclusion of Ry Cooder) at a time before they went off of the cliff into avant-gardism, and it also serves as a good eye-opener to Beefheartedness when introducing people to his works. Not my favourite flavour of beef, but this album still gets a 10/10. Zu - Bromio Dericulous album cover, brilliant album. This album is more brass heavy than their other works, but being the amazing band that they are, they make it work. I love everything that these guys have done, and this album is no exception. Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle Hell, what hasn't been said about this album? Much more ska and metal oriented than their better works (Disco Volante) and it's another eye-opener to Pattonism like Milk is an eye-opener to Beefland. miRthkon - Vehicle Jesus, this album is brilliant. It's miRthkon's only release, unfortunately, but it blows my socks off every time that I listen to it. This one goes up there with the greats of jazz/rock/avant-garde/(insert genre here)/fusion/brilliance. Jandek's Ready for the House, the VU and Nico, and AMMMusic 1966 all get honorable mention as well. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-03-2012, 08:04 AM	#77 (permalink)
Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	I couldn't comment on his playing from a technical point of view, as I don't have the knowledge or experience to do so, but I do think he's a very influential guitarist.