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Whoa whoa. Ok! Looks like I've got a lot to go back and read here:D There seems to be a very active community here of music lovers who have many different opinions. I think that's a good thing. So since there's been so much interest in my question, I'd like to share more of my opinion and see what people's takes on it are.
This is coming from someone who is a guitarist and aspiring rock musician. Lately I've been spending most of my time in pursuit of the next big thing. The new rock'n'roll I guess. I find my inspiration in the people/artists who I think "broke the mold" and were responsible for finding that one key sound and style that sparked revolutions. To me, there were a handful of these people. I might name The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Led Zeppelin, and Eddie Van Halen as pioneers of styles and sounds that made real changes in popular music (you could also say Kurt Cobain, but I don't really like him so that's why I didn't list him). So in essence, I believe that if anyone were to make such a revolution, to cause real change and spark a new wave of music, they would have to break away from most of the stuff that is still in vogue now that has been in vogue for half a century. Mainly in rock music. As much as I love the electric guitar, its hard to deny the statement that the electric guitar has pretty much reahed the end of its creative possibilities. Sure, there are still technically new things that could be done with the guitar, but at this point anything more extreme or amazing than what has already been done would just be overkill and would lose all its appeal. Do you kind of undertand what I mean? I think its time a new instrument took over. The other day I was driving to work and I turned on the radio. It was on tye local rock station that played everything from modern to classic rock. I remember Shinedown came on, and then after that it was Judas Priest. And for the first few seconds of Judas Priest's intro I was thinking "is this still Shinedown? Is this a new song from them?" and then the singing came in and I realized it was an old song by Judas Priest. But even after I ha realized it was Priest, I sat there thinking of how there is virtually no difference between today's rock and the rock of the yesteryear. It uses that same formula. Distorted guitars, riffs, powerful vocals etc... Then Seether came on, and AC/DC after that, and I began to realize just how little variation there really is between different brands of rock and how it is delivered and performed, and also the instrumentation. The only thing I will say on the flip side of this is that for the most part, older rock bands seemed to all have their own distinct sound, whereas its sometimes hard to distinguish between newer bands. So what I'm getting at is that I believe that nothing TRULY new has been created in a long time. To me, the last guitar innovation came from Eddie Van Halen. Since then the guitar has kind of stagnated. Once grunge came around, the guitar kind of went downhill. Then we started getting all these watered-down alternative bands and artists and kickass/dynamic music kind of fell to the side, and thus, we have the uninspiring popular music world we have today. That's just my opinion. |
So it's not really so much music you're talking about as rock guitar specifically.
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Yeah definitely stick around bro, I think your lack of exposure to other cultures and their music has given you a bit of a slant towards rock music. If you stick around, you'll probably look back at what you said and realize how ridiculous it sounds. No offense intended by any of this, I just think you won't feel the same if you come to appreciate other genres on their own merits. |
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That said, I DO belive my notion about music hitting a wall innovation-wise is pretty accurate. In fact, there are numerous subtle things I have figured out about music (and people's perceptions of music) that I find hard to explain. Every time I attempt to explain it, people consider it "ridiculous" as you just stated. That's why I'm not shocked to see some of the reactions on here. Most people just lack some fundamental understandings that I have. Not trying to sound elitist or self-righteous, but I DO want to defend my position. |
To the people who were arguing about the word 'evolve', please quit. The important thing is that you understood what I meant.
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I'm glad the people here are funny. Makes things so much funner.
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Take the approach of Rock docs for instance, a lot of them just showcases one particulat person, band or event, but it doesn't tell the whole story. There is a certain timeline and outline that is accepted and anything that falls outside of that isn't mentioned. Saying somthing like only one guitar player e.g. Kurt Cobain or Eddie Van Halen started it all and done it all is "causal reductionism." They have their place in music history, I don't think their contributions should be overblown but then again I don't think they should be underestimated either. |
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Please don't pick apart what I just said man and try to come up with some cunning and witty rebuttal to it just for the sake of sounding smart like everyone else who uses the internet nowadays does. They'll sit there at their computer and think to themselves "what's a good way to word this that will make me seem so intelligent?" because trust me, that's how you've come off to me so far. I think you know full well what I'm saying here about the music thing anyway. |
In the past decade Dizzee Rascal bought an underground movement to the mainstream and spawned loads of imitators just as much as you're giving Kurt Cobain & Eddie Van Halen credit for, so why are you not giving him any credit ?
There's something in the past 10 years for you that 'Broke the mould'. |
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Look man, don't be contrary. The reason I asked you not to think of some witty rebuttal is because thats all people use the internet for these days. People will turn something that is not an argument into one so they can refute and make themselves sound smart. That's exactly what you are doing. Like I said, I think you know I'm talking about.
EVH and Kurt Cobain are not the only innovators. They are just two of the few I listed. I never had any malice when I created this thread, but somehow I knew that There would be a couple of people on here who find an argument here and try to pick it alart untill the relevance is gone, and then be all smartass about it. What I'm trying to say is very simple. It doesn't take a lot of thinking to understand. I don't think there are as many innovators in this time. It might be because music in general is hard to innovate in this time, or lack of new musical avenues and ideas to explore. I cited the people who I believed were true innovators in history. There are more than what I listed, but those few are ones that really stand out to me. Plus, how can you say that I'm only focusing on rock guitar when I clearly stated Michael Jackson and dancing? Quit picking apart what I'm saying and be a part of the real conversation man. There's no arguments going on here. |
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Whatever. I can see that you guys will find an argument regardless if there is one or not. Michael Jackson was one of the first people I mentioned.
And about the innovation you mentioned. I've never even heard of that artist. Apparently not much of an innovation huh? I bet I could go around to just about everyone at my work, around my neighborhood, and around town, and they've probably never heard of Dizee Rascal. People who make true innovations should be well-known even to people who don't actively explore new music. The artists I mentioned affected music on a grand scale. Sure, the elements of their style existed before them, but they were the people who put it all together and put it into motion on a large scale. It takes a true innovator to do that. That's all I'm saying. |
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I tried to debate this seriously with you, so far you've shown me you're nothing more than a total arse. So with that I'll be leaving this thread now and bid you goodbye and hope you're happy playing those first 6 Van Halen records for the rest of your life. |
Music has never stopped evolving. You just got to keep walking through different crossroads if you're open-minded enough.
It's usually the case that people tend to have rigid ideas and or stuck in some past generation style to progress taste themselves. |
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I might not be that smart but I still proved you wrong.
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Go out and ask 10 random people if tey know EVH. at least 8 of 10 will say yes. Then go ask 10 random people the same question about Dizee Rascal and about 1 of 10 may possibly know him. True innovators don't usually go unheard of. They are usually houshold. |
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Now if you were serious about genuinely finding new music you could have said 'Thanks for the tip, I might check him out' But instead you decided to dismiss it out of hand and ramble on about how he's not a household name wherever you are so therefore his acheivements are meaningless and you then went on to bitch about people on the internet. So please tell me how I'm supposed to take your reply seriously. |
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