Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

Pursuingchange · 12-16-2012, 01:17 AM

Here's my take on hendrix. Yes, he WAS innovative in every sense of the word. However, if it wasn't he who had come up with that style of playing, it would have been someone else. That guitar style is what rock was progressing to, it would have happened with or without him. But the fact is, it didn't, and he is remembered and loved for being one of rock guitar's truest innovators.

Neapolitan · 12-16-2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

no not really, my point is that most ppl think Jimmy hendrix is a big deal but i don't..

So while they see him as an innovator i don't

im obligated to give Jimmy his props of course i do recognise his mark in music history but my true point, what is innovation if you don't recognise it as so?

I find more innovation in other artist than in Jimmy hendrix yet those artist will be never recognised as great Jimmy but they are the ones who influenced my music taste.

Are you confussing personal taste with innovation? You give Jimi "props" and say you "recognise his mark in music history" but don't see him as innovative.(Isn't that how most music critic recognise a musicians' mark in music history by saying they were innovative?) I'm not saying you must like Jimi Hendrix, but I don't see the point of questioning the idea that he was innovative on guitar based on personal taste. If you were to question Jimi Hendrix contrabutions to music based on his contemporaries and other guitarist before him, that is dfferent story because at least there's attempt to bring what his place was in music into perspective.

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

I hope he was joking actually..I'm just going to assume that he was. Liking Santiago over Hendrix is crazy enough, but to insinuate Hendrix didn't make good music is well...laughable.

He likes the Pixies. I guess there is a temptation to edit history to pick up where you favorite band starts.

Bloozcrooz · 12-16-2012, 02:06 AM

Heres my take on Hendrix, he was more than just a innovator. He was brilliant, and imo opinion the best all around musician to have ever come along. From his lyrics, to his guitar work and vocals he was the total package, and his moment in time couldn't have been better. To simply categorize him as just an innovator is almost an insult to one of Rock and Rolls greatest icons of all time, and arguably the most influential artist of all time. Maybe rock would have progressed eventually to where Hendrix took it to, but the fact is it didn't until he did it. Along the way telling stories of all his lifes encounters, with genius guitar work and articulate lyrics to compliment his unique one of a kind vocal stylings. You like who you like, but I think the lasting impression Hendrix has left on music is certainly more deserving than just merely a nomination for being a decent innovator. To me he was THE biggest innovator and so much more. So in the words of the great Forrest Gump "Thats all I have to say about that"

Neapolitan · 12-16-2012, 02:13 AM

I like Jimi Hendrix, I feel uncomfortable with him being the number one guitar of all time. If you say he was the number one guitar player of Rock than that is different.

Jimi Hendrix brings all he knew into his personal style. There is Buddy Guy and Wes Montegomery and a bunch of others rolled up into his musical vision. His genius was natural, not something one can achieve through guitar lessons or imitating another guitar player, etc. There is a lot a different things going on in one song. I think one little phrase in one of his songs could be a whole style of playing guitar.

Pursuingchange · 12-16-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Heres my take on Hendrix, he was more than just a innovator. He was brilliant, and imo opinion the best all around musician to have ever come along. From his lyrics, to his guitar work and vocals he was the total package, and his moment in time couldn't have been better. To simply categorize him as just an innovator is almost an insult to one of Rock and Rolls greatest icons of all time, and arguably the most influential artist of all time. Maybe rock would have progressed eventually to where Hendrix took it to, but the fact is it didn't until he did it. Along the way telling stories of all his lifes encounters, with genius guitar work and articulate lyrics to compliment his unique one of a kind vocal stylings. You like who you like, but I think the lasting impression Hendrix has left on music is certainly more deserving than just merely a nomination for being a decent innovator. To me he was THE biggest innovator and so much more. So in the words of the great Forrest Gump "Thats all I have to say about that"

Dude, I said he was one of rock guitar's truest innovators. I never said he was just a decent innovator. I said he was innovative in every sense of the word.

nightfury · 12-16-2012, 05:54 AM

Evolving bring new flavors \m/

Rjinn · 12-16-2012, 05:59 AM

You don't have to be aggrandised to be a "true innovator." I've heard many many innovators who can experiment into forming their own sound without being treated in a godly manner, or aren't even well known. I think you're mixing up "innovator" with "revolutionists." They may link, but it doesn't mean one has to be a revolutionist in order to be an innovator. You also have to consider that it's not really up to the musician. They may be an instigator, but it's society who invest and make it into a statement.

sopsych · 12-16-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger ?

Show me where it's happening and I'll stop it

It starts getting bad in #60 and continues for at least a page. Two of the people should know better and a third party eggs it on in a post that would be an infraction in many forums. I've seen this story before and would like assurances that the pattern stops here.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-16-2012, 10:30 AM

If I was doing what you wanted I would have given out an infraction for the thread starter when he started throwing his toys out of his pram when people didn't agree with him. That's in post No 57 BTW.

Instead I decided to post a reasonable response to his original question to which he first ignored and then dismissed out of hand when I made a point of mentioning it again he then continued with his insistence people were disagreeing with him for the sake of it.
I could have probably given him an infraction for that too for deliberately trolling.

But I didn't, why didn't I?
Because the guy was new and I didn't want to start hurling infractions at him on his first day here. Which ironically is totally at odds of your theory of us 'assimilating more forum visitors'. He chose to go down that road so we allowed him to, It's that simple really.

For the most part this is a laid back forum that lets is members be treated like adults, occasionally things might get a little out of control and that's where we step in. I don't see anything in this thread that's gets any worse than a little heated and I don't see anything worth infraction or banning anybody for.

**Janszoon** · 12-16-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

It starts getting bad in #60 and continues for at least a page. Two of the people should know better and a third party eggs it on in a post that would be an infraction in many forums. I've seen this story before and would like assurances that the pattern stops here.

Wow. Seriously? We're clearly reading two different threads here.

12-16-2012, 05:54 AM	#146 (permalink)
nightfury Groupie Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: spain Posts: 7	Evolving bring new flavors \m/ __________________ <Links removed by mod>

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Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	You don't have to be aggrandised to be a "true innovator." I've heard many many innovators who can experiment into forming their own sound without being treated in a godly manner, or aren't even well known. I think you're mixing up "innovator" with "revolutionists." They may link, but it doesn't mean one has to be a revolutionist in order to be an innovator. You also have to consider that it's not really up to the musician. They may be an instigator, but it's society who invest and make it into a statement. __________________ last.fm Last edited by Rjinn; 12-16-2012 at 06:08 AM.

12-16-2012, 10:30 AM	#149 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	If I was doing what you wanted I would have given out an infraction for the thread starter when he started throwing his toys out of his pram when people didn't agree with him. That's in post No 57 BTW. Instead I decided to post a reasonable response to his original question to which he first ignored and then dismissed out of hand when I made a point of mentioning it again he then continued with his insistence people were disagreeing with him for the sake of it. I could have probably given him an infraction for that too for deliberately trolling. But I didn't, why didn't I? Because the guy was new and I didn't want to start hurling infractions at him on his first day here. Which ironically is totally at odds of your theory of us 'assimilating more forum visitors'. He chose to go down that road so we allowed him to, It's that simple really. For the most part this is a laid back forum that lets is members be treated like adults, occasionally things might get a little out of control and that's where we step in. I don't see anything in this thread that's gets any worse than a little heated and I don't see anything worth infraction or banning anybody for. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

12-16-2012, 01:17 AM	#141 (permalink)
Pursuingchange Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 139	Here's my take on hendrix. Yes, he WAS innovative in every sense of the word. However, if it wasn't he who had come up with that style of playing, it would have been someone else. That guitar style is what rock was progressing to, it would have happened with or without him. But the fact is, it didn't, and he is remembered and loved for being one of rock guitar's truest innovators.