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Old 01-04-2013, 02:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, yeah they were popular then so it would have been more relevant. They're still popular...
Joy Division and Velvet Underground were both artists that never achieved a whole lot of popularity during their own time, but are beyond relevant regardless, and for a number of reasons.

the Beatles and Nirvana are the same way, except they were indeed wildly popular during their time.

The key part of your response is "[t]hey're still popular...". I understand that you don't see the appeal, and that's fine, but that doesn't change what Nirvana was and is, not even a little bit.

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Old 01-04-2013, 05:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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All right, persuingchange...I'll give this my best shot...

*clearing throat*

What makes Nirvana so special...and so good...is a combination of emotionally riveting and rather simple compositions with a songwriter's extraordinary ability to put a fine point on it, so to speak.

Nirvana was a band that stood in front of the commercial wasteland of the 1980's and stared down the abyss of a consumerist, plastic and artless future, and shoved us all into it waving both middle fingers all the way down.

Cobain's impeccable familiarity with fellow angsters of rock's past was put to its finest use, in that he was somehow able to take big heaping scoops of Black Francis' snarl, Ian Curtis' heartache, Greg Sage's shrugging shoulders and John Cale's nihilism, stir them all onto a plate set for disaffected youth, and angrily hurl the whole mess directly into the face of the world.

IT's no accident that teenagers 10 and 20 years later are still cutting their teeth on Nirvana's music. It is timeless cast away poetry, something those of us that have been through it know really does mean something to them. And the only thing more eerie than knowing that is knowing what Nirvana's music will end up meaning to many of them when they are older. The music grows up with you.

From those razor-sharp injections from Nevermind such as "got so high, scratched till I bled", "give an inch, take a smile" and "I'm so happy cuz today I shaved my head" to hopeless heart-sighing from In Utero like "look on the bright side is suicide/ lost eyesight I'm on your side/ angel left wing, right wing, broken wing/ lack of iron and or sleeping..." I'm hard pressed to think of another lyricist who so succinctly placed his balls on his sleeve.

And yes, there was the suicide. But I don't think that's what those of us that love Nirvana remember about them. I was devastated when I heard about it...but not because I felt sad for Kurt Cobain, so to speak...I was genuinely sorrowful that the music had that final, unmoving punctuation on it. There would be no more Nirvana records. We were left forever with three propers and whatever bone marrow of b-sides, outtakes and live cuts we could suck out of Nirvana's body of art.

But with or without the suicide, that music stands on its own, and would have regardless what Cobain ever had decided to do with himself, at least I think so.

So, that's my opinion. I am sure I could elaborate further, but I think you get the idea.

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I think its people like you that put me off even more about Nirvana. You speak about him as if he was some sort of God that did the ultimate justice in music. Come on. The band even admitted to lacking a lot of musical talent. All that fluffy stuff you told me about "they were real" and "their music spoke to a generation" is just nonsense to me. Say what you want. And your kind of people always speak about the hair bands before them as if its a fact that they were fake and talentless. I think grunge/alternative was a bunch of hype. Sure, it changed music, but in a bad way IMO. It turned rock into a pitty party full of emotional alternative stuff. Not that thats a bad style. But its all people wanted to play after that. Gurnge/alternative brought about a very loser-ish vibe to the music. I could point out at least 10 artists from hair bands who are better lyricists, better musicians, and ultimately deserve loads more credit than the overrated hype that is Nirvana. That's just my opinion. Again, I was just asking if other people don't like them, so don't take my opinion as the word of God.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I loved Nirvana in the 90s. Today, I'm still tired of them.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I think its people like you that put me off even more about Nirvana. You speak about him as if he was some sort of God that did the ultimate justice in music. Come on. The band even admitted to lacking a lot of musical talent. All that fluffy stuff you told me about "they were real" and "their music spoke to a generation" is just nonsense to me. Say what you want. And your kind of people always speak about the hair bands before them as if its a fact that they were fake and talentless. I think grunge/alternative was a bunch of hype. Sure, it changed music, but in a bad way IMO. It turned rock into a pitty party full of emotional alternative stuff. Not that thats a bad style. But its all people wanted to play after that. Gurnge/alternative brought about a very loser-ish vibe to the music. I could point out at least 10 artists from hair bands who are better lyricists, better musicians, and ultimately deserve loads more credit than the overrated hype that is Nirvana. That's just my opinion. Again, I was just asking if other people don't like them, so don't take my opinion as the word of God.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Alright ****it...I suppose this it's what's so fun about internet forums anyway...

I think its people like you that put me off even more about Nirvana.

That's a rather revealing statement.

So it's what people say about Nirvana that's behind your dislike, not Nirvana themselves?

You speak about him as if he was some sort of God that did the ultimate justice in music.

The word "god" does not appear once in my post. Nor does the word "ultimate".

I pointed out some of things Nirvana had to say when they hit, and its significance to those of us that love the band.

I assumed from your OP that's the information you were looking for, since you actually asked for that exact information.

The band even admitted to lacking a lot of musical talent.

As did I when I mentioned their simple compositions. Not once in my post do I site Nirvana's "musical talent", as you put it, as what was (and remains) so appealing about the band.

All that fluffy stuff you told me about "they were real" and "their music spoke to a generation" is just nonsense to me.

I never once said either of those things. What are you talking about? You're not addressing the points I made and you are misquoting me...apparently in order to fit your square peg hate into my round hole argument.

Say what you want.

Well, thanks!

And your kind of people always speak about the hair bands before them as if its a fact that they were fake and talentless.

I have no idea what on earth you mean by "your kind of people". And hair bands, generally speaking, were fake and talentless. *shrug* I have no idea what that has to do with Nirvana. I made no such comparison at any point in my post.


I think grunge/alternative was a bunch of hype.

Perhaps it was. I have no idea what that has to do with Nirvana and their influence on pop music (and beyond). Please elaborate.

Sure, it changed music, but in a bad way IMO. It turned rock into a pitty party full of emotional alternative stuff. Not that thats a bad style. But its all people wanted to play after that. Gurnge/alternative brought about a very loser-ish vibe to the music.

Well, is it a bad style or isn't it? You're all over the place. I do remember there being a pushback as early as '95-'96 toward bands such as Pearl Jam and Soundgarden...and I think that had to do with their over-saturation of the waves, especially when Temple of the Dog resurged and 'Hunger Strike' got a lot of play...but I still fail to see what any of that has to do with Nirvana's mark on the landscape.

I could point out at least 10 artists from hair bands who are better lyricists, better musicians, and ultimately deserve loads more credit than the overrated hype that is Nirvana.

Which hair bands? Which songs? Which lyrics?

I'd love for you to actually point them out, provide examples, etc.

so don't take my opinion as the word of God.

lol no worries there...

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A lot of listeners dislike grunge including Nirvana. There are several here I believe. I've met people who think Kurt Cobain puts them off because they find him too whiney. He isn't a great guitarist either. Grunge can come off as dull and depressing to a lot also, which is another reason people dislike it, and I can understand in a way what they mean. I appreciate Nirvana because they brought a new face to music but they're pretty low on my like list.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yeah...whoever heard of disaffected, angst ridden themes or depression in rock music???

It's an outrage!

lol

Seriously, so...what do they listen to? The Chipmunks and the Monkees?

To each their own, I guess.

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Yeah...whoever heard of disaffected, angst ridden themes or depression in rock music???

It's an outrage!

lol

Seriously, so...what do they listen to? The Chipmunks and the Monkees?

To each their own, I guess.

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Grunge can be really centred and sweating in it though. I guess they prefer more brightening music compared.
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All right, persuingchange...I'll give this my best shot...

*clearing throat*

What makes Nirvana so special...and so good...is a combination of emotionally riveting and rather simple compositions with a songwriter's extraordinary ability to put a fine point on it, so to speak.

Nirvana was a band that stood in front of the commercial wasteland of the 1980's and stared down the abyss of a consumerist, plastic and artless future, and shoved us all into it waving both middle fingers all the way down.

Cobain's impeccable familiarity with fellow angsters of rock's past was put to its finest use, in that he was somehow able to take big heaping scoops of Black Francis' snarl, Ian Curtis' heartache, Greg Sage's shrugging shoulders and John Cale's nihilism, stir them all onto a plate set for disaffected youth, and angrily hurl the whole mess directly into the face of the world.

IT's no accident that teenagers 10 and 20 years later are still cutting their teeth on Nirvana's music. It is timeless cast away poetry, something those of us that have been through it know really does mean something to them. And the only thing more eerie than knowing that is knowing what Nirvana's music will end up meaning to many of them when they are older. The music grows up with you.

From those razor-sharp injections from Nevermind such as "got so high, scratched till I bled", "give an inch, take a smile" and "I'm so happy cuz today I shaved my head" to hopeless heart-sighing from In Utero like "look on the bright side is suicide/ lost eyesight I'm on your side/ angel left wing, right wing, broken wing/ lack of iron and or sleeping..." I'm hard pressed to think of another lyricist who so succinctly placed his balls on his sleeve.

And yes, there was the suicide. But I don't think that's what those of us that love Nirvana remember about them. I was devastated when I heard about it...but not because I felt sad for Kurt Cobain, so to speak...I was genuinely sorrowful that the music had that final, unmoving punctuation on it. There would be no more Nirvana records. We were left forever with three propers and whatever bone marrow of b-sides, outtakes and live cuts we could suck out of Nirvana's body of art.

But with or without the suicide, that music stands on its own, and would have regardless what Cobain ever had decided to do with himself, at least I think so.

So, that's my opinion. I am sure I could elaborate further, but I think you get the idea.

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Yeah ok.

lol

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Sorry man, got a little carried away. I didn't mean to come off like that. Sorry.
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