Right wing artists

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-06-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Well, isn't all rock music rooted in the idea of rebellion? Fifties rockers were rebelling against their parents' music, (among lots of other things), seen as dull boring and pedestrian with little or no fire, and each new generation just kind of picks up the torch as it goes along, like an almost century-long relay race. You usually rebel against the status quo, the natural order, so it stands to reason that since right-wing/conservatives normally want to preserve the sq that rock bands would rebel against them.

Totally simplistic I know, but it's late and I'm an old man; I need my sleep!

But on the other hand conservatism is about small government & private enterprise which feeds into the whole punk DIY ethic.

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Originally Posted by Engine

Blur - Goldsmiths College
Radiohead - Abingdon School
Vampire Weekend - Columbia University
Hell, even members of Minor Threat and many of the early DC hardcore scenesters went to high school at a semi-elite private school called Georgetown Day School.

I'm sure the list of musicians educated in "high class" institutions goes on and on..

Pink Floyd especially.

Thinkofthechildren · 03-06-2013, 07:48 PM

Well, Clash and Blur were ridiculed.

Engine · 03-06-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinkofthechildren

Well, Clash and Blur were ridiculed.

I don't really like either of those bands either. But they didn't exactly get booed off the stage for being educated (well maybe Blur did, I didn't closely follow that whole britpop thing).

Anyway, I forgot one of the more relevant ones (and one of my personal favorites), Steve Albini, who formed Big Black while attending Northwestern University. Granted it was just him and a drum machine at the time.

He's a good example of a musician with a high class education and, while he didn't align with the in-your-face right wingers in punk rock at the time, he was decidedly not a lefty.

But if your point is that there are more lefty musicians because there are more poor, uneducated people in the world who had few options in life besides becoming professional musicians... I don't think that's sound logic.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-06-2013, 09:47 PM

Only Strummer went to an exclusive school. The rest of the Clash went to art school, and in the 60s & 70s any idiot from any background could go to art school in the UK, there was nothing exclusive about it.

**Janszoon** · 03-06-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Only Strummer went to an exclusive school. The rest of the Clash went to art school, and in the 60s & 70s any idiot from any background could go to art school in the UK, there was nothing exclusive about it.

Strummer would be the member I was referring to. But as far as I'm aware it's not like the rest of the band grew up in poverty.

Trollheart · 03-07-2013, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Only Strummer went to an exclusive school. The rest of the Clash went to art school, and in the 60s & 70s any idiot from any background could go to art school in the UK, there was nothing exclusive about it.

Absolutely. Line from Red Dwarf:
Lister: I AM educated! I went to art school.
Rimmer: YOU went to ART SCHOOL? How did YOU get into art school?
Lister: The same way everyone does, Rimmer. The same old boring way. Failed me exams and applied. They snapped me up!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-06-2013, 10:10 PM

Mick Jones was bought up in a small flat in a tower block by his grandmother. Topper Headon was from a working class family in Kent.
I know Paul Simonen's father was a civil servant but that's a job title that covers so much difference in pay scale there's no real way of knowing how well off they were.
I almost got a job in the civil service and that was only working in the post office.

**Janszoon** · 03-06-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Mick Jones was bought up in a small flat in a tower block by his grandmother. Topper Headon was from a working class family in Kent.
I know Paul Simonen's father was a civil servant but that's a job title that covers so much difference in pay scale there's no real way of knowing how well off they were.

With the possible exception of Mick Jones, those are not situations I'd describe as poverty.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-06-2013, 10:14 PM

They'd hardly get you in to an exclusive school, which is what this was about.
Or at least I thought it was.

**Janszoon** · 03-06-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

They'd hardly get you in to an exclusive school, which is what this was about.
Or at least I thought it was.

This tangent of conversation came about from me disagreeing with Thinkofthechildren's claim that "most artists usually come from a poor background". A few posts later he took it to talking about exclusive schools for some reason but that's not the really the core of what was being discussed.

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