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Not really.
Most of the punks in the UK were rebelling against the policies of a left wing Labour government when punk started in 1976/77.

And then quickly changed their tune when Thatcher got in a couple of years later.

Some of those listed are just idiots. Ted Nuegent is the biggest ****ing joke. Conservative my ass. Dude's a hypocrite, just look at his personal life.

I would think most country-music stars are right-wingers. Remember how quick the country world turned on those dixie chicks?

Music that is consumed and produced by the younger generation, or more liberal crowd, will have more left-wing proponents. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rules.

BTW, I love your *dodos* comparison

I'm not going to comment on the main question because I wouldn't be able to answer it impartially, but for extreme right wingers look no further than the Norwegian Black Metal scene. In particular this guy.

I watched Until the Light Takes Us last night! That's an extremist for sure, maybe not to the right. Not to get off on another topic, but I could see his point of view. (NOT the murder; NOR do I support burning relics) They wanted to resist becoming Americanized. Can't say I blame them. Varg was a completely narcissistic.

I know that this isn't exactly what you are talking about but the thread title immediately brought this up in my mind.


while searching for it I found out these girls have denounced this stuff, but it'll always stick out in mind as a great(and by that I mean horrible)example of music with an ignorant political view.

That must be satirical and not serious. But also, a pretty good song, especially for the acoustic guitar genre.

That'd be fine if Ramones were british, but they're American. But you know, it kinda makes sense, I mean how many political messages did the Ramones have? Not many, especially for a punk band. I think they just liked the aesthetics of punk.

Had you said 'The Ramones being conservative was an oxymoron' then I wouldn't have said anything.

But you didn't you said 'Punks being conservative was an oxymoron'.

Hence my comment.

Ahh, gotcha

I'm not so sure I agree with the idea that most artists come from a poor background but that's neither here nor there. I think the answer to your question has to do with the fact that conservative people tend to favor the status quo and frown on things that are edgy or envelope-pushing. And since envelope-pushing and experimentation are such a big part of art, conservatives generally, by their very nature, self-select out.

I don't have statistics to back it up but I think they do. But Im being specific too music and not any other art form. I think musical artists tend to come from a poorer background, and a lot of the time, its about image aswell. Can you imagine a rock band formed in a high class private school? They'd be ridiculed if they were too release music.

Its also the fact that the poorer you are, the more likely you would start a band or go into music because there for more less options out for you. This indirectly increases the pool of artists.

Well, isn't all rock music rooted in the idea of rebellion? Fifties rockers were rebelling against their parents' music, (among lots of other things), seen as dull boring and pedestrian with little or no fire, and each new generation just kind of picks up the torch as it goes along, like an almost century-long relay race. You usually rebel against the status quo, the natural order, so it stands to reason that since right-wing/conservatives normally want to preserve the sq that rock bands would rebel against them.

Totally simplistic I know, but it's late and I'm an old man; I need my sleep!

Blur - Goldsmiths College
Radiohead - Abingdon School
Vampire Weekend - Columbia University
Hell, even members of Minor Threat and many of the early DC hardcore scenesters went to high school at a semi-elite private school called Georgetown Day School.

I'm sure the list of musicians educated in "high class" institutions goes on and on..

But on the other hand conservatism is about small government & private enterprise which feeds into the whole punk DIY ethic.

Pink Floyd especially.

Indeed. Add members of the Clash and Television to the list as well.

Well, Clash and Blur were ridiculed.

I don't really like either of those bands either. But they didn't exactly get booed off the stage for being educated (well maybe Blur did, I didn't closely follow that whole britpop thing).

Anyway, I forgot one of the more relevant ones (and one of my personal favorites), Steve Albini, who formed Big Black while attending Northwestern University. Granted it was just him and a drum machine at the time.

He's a good example of a musician with a high class education and, while he didn't align with the in-your-face right wingers in punk rock at the time, he was decidedly not a lefty.

But if your point is that there are more lefty musicians because there are more poor, uneducated people in the world who had few options in life besides becoming professional musicians... I don't think that's sound logic.

Only Strummer went to an exclusive school. The rest of the Clash went to art school, and in the 60s & 70s any idiot from any background could go to art school in the UK, there was nothing exclusive about it.

Strummer would be the member I was referring to. But as far as I'm aware it's not like the rest of the band grew up in poverty.

Mick Jones was bought up in a small flat in a tower block by his grandmother. Topper Headon was from a working class family in Kent.
I know Paul Simonen's father was a civil servant but that's a job title that covers so much difference in pay scale there's no real way of knowing how well off they were.
I almost got a job in the civil service and that was only working in the post office.

With the possible exception of Mick Jones, those are not situations I'd describe as poverty.

They'd hardly get you in to an exclusive school, which is what this was about.
Or at least I thought it was.

This tangent of conversation came about from me disagreeing with Thinkofthechildren's claim that "most artists usually come from a poor background". A few posts later he took it to talking about exclusive schools for some reason but that's not the really the core of what was being discussed.

To jump in on this statement, I would think the poorer you are the less likely you might end up going into music as a career. I would think that most end up working at any type of job just to survive or support your family and things such as professional musician aren't really seen as an option since your priorities might have to change. Hence, I am less surprised when I see a band that was formed while the members went to college or come from a middle class backround...if things do not go well, they always have something to fall back on. Just my view, not a fact.

Other bands that started in college/school:
Hootie and the Blowfish, University of SC
The predecessors of Queen, Smile, started at Imperial College London.
Lady Antebellum and REM, U of GA
Radiohead, Abingdon School, Oxfordshire
Coldplay, University College London

A post college band: The Doors, UCLA grads

As for Right Wing artists, I think many probably change views as their lifestyle changes. See Peter Garett, lead singer for Midnight Oil.

Are you saying the Ramones are poseurs????

Also, since when did punk HAVE to be political?

Do you even listen to punk?

Absolutely. Line from Red Dwarf:
Lister: I AM educated! I went to art school.
Rimmer: YOU went to ART SCHOOL? How did YOU get into art school?
Lister: The same way everyone does, Rimmer. The same old boring way. Failed me exams and applied. They snapped me up!

Ted Nugent is super right wing, isn't he? He may even be a Tea Partier.

I don't think it is fair to say all musicians that are consverative are bad people because I think like this: Are there are idiotic consverative artists, of course but that is because I am a Liberal. DUH. But look at people like Kid Rock, Carrie Underwood, Garth Brooks, and others. Kid Rock maybe lack goodness but he is not crazy. He is actually has openly said that he is a republican but everyone loves him regardless.

I mean you also have very idiotic liberal artists too. Some of them are really sick (won't list names, I don't have time right now, my english is ****ed up right now). But there are tons of idiotic liberal artists.

But one really bad consverative is Ted Nugent. His music is alright and I can tolerate but his politics are so wrong. This man cares about guns than anything else. That is pretty sad.

Yeah, he is involved with that. Which is ironic, seeing as how the Tea Party is all about family and removing the gov't from your private business. I bet pervy Ted would like that. Seeing as how he was ****ing teenage girls the same age as his daughter. I believe he walked out on his first batch of children. He cheats on his wife (Mr. Family Values), and had an illegitimate child a few years back.

AND this is all fine and dandy, but don't try to make yourself into the poster boy for the right-wingers and the tea people. Don't be a ****ing hypocrite. Yay guns!

Would NSBM count?

I think this thread is about an inch away from turning into a heated political debate

Are they poseurs? Kinda....yeah. Not to say that I don't like them, I absolutely like them.

Ted Nugent is a moderate.

see he was so nice that he offered to suck that guts dick and rape the woman off camera

im an extremelyyyyyyyyy nice guy even though im shouting at you!!!

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So what punk bands do you like?

The usual. What Punk bands do you like?

What's the usual, then?

The Ramones

I knew those guys were only posing as underprivileged people who were forced into a musical career. Damn hypocrites.