And, of course, the fact that John Mayer is also a racist doesn't bother you at all.

John Mayer's voice bothers me a lot! It's dweeby. :usehead:

Personally I think it would put a huge crimp in my liking of a performer if I found out he was a child molester, or any other bad thing. Jerry Lee Lewis is a perfect example of a guy who put on a brilliant show, but was tainted by marrying his 16 year old cousin I believe.......

She was 13 actually.

Interesting topic!
There was a local radio talk show host here who I listened to on and off, and on one of his shows he opened with an epiphany he'd recently had regarding music and musicians. He said that after reading X number of various biographies, articles, etc. about many of his musical heroes - mostly 60's and 70's Rockers - he realized that many if not most of them were basically just a bunch of drug addicts and that much of their music - the lyrics in particular - were really just the ramblings of someone VERY stoned or tripping, which caused him to lose a lot of respect and appreciation for them. Can't say I disagree.
Personally, I used to LOVE Bruce Springsteen growing up, he was definitely one of my musical heroes. Until I saw a few interviews, The Boss in his own words, up close and personal, and I realized - the guy's not very bright at all.
He's just really good at writing catchy tunes with cool lyrics.

Springsteen probably isn't highly intelligent, but don't mistake inarticulate conversationalist for dumb.

I've known John Mayer is a cad long before Playboy. I don't really care if he has vaguely racist sexual preferences. To me, the only consequence of his saying that is he is even less sensitive than I thought.

Vaguely racist? I'd say he's pretty explicitly racist. Watching you downplay racism to such a massive degree is certainly illuminating about where you're coming from though, I'll give it that.

I must agree with Jansz. Your anger against adultery speaks possibly of personal experience, though of course I don't know that, but I think most people if given the choice would rather be in a car/on a bus/in a lift etc with an adulterer than a racist. I mean, what's the former gonna do? Sleep with your wife? :rolleyes:

It wasn't the lack of articulation that bothers me regarding Mr. Springsteen, it's his incomplete and fairly ignorant grasp - or lack thereof - of the facts. In the interviews I saw, he was basically just parroting the en vogue talking points.

I have no idea who John Mayer is, but the term 'racist' is one of the most highly overused in our times.
Adulterer? You mean like every Rock star who ever lived?

I agree that "racist" is overused, and it trivializes some important incidents. Anyway, if John Mayer were a hardcore racist, his career would be over.

Many rock stars are cheaters, I believe. Adultery means cheating when married. I perceive that the more ballad-oriented musicians are less likely to be cheaters. I don't expect much of the metal guys. Maybe that Neal Schon likely hasn't contributed much lyrically to Journey's (or his other bands') love songs is a reason why I mainly shrug at his dirty personal behavior.

Depends on the purpose of life of the artist in question otherwise in general no separation

People will always find excuses to listen to things and blank out the aspects that they don't like.

Oooh good question. I'm a fan of Michael Jackson so this is something I've asked myself before. I have to admit - I do think that Michael Jackson wasn't guilty so I still enjoy his music a lot. If I were to ever read something that made me believe he was guilty though I would no longer be able to enjoy his work. Particularly because not only is the crime utterly disgusting, but its almost rubbing it in when you have songs in your discography like Heal The World.

On the other hand I do think Courtney Love may have some involvement in Kurt Cobain's death and I find it hard to listen to Hole objectively as a result. It's a shame really because I actually could see myself enjoying their work rather a lot if I believed otherwise.

I guess its an individual case thing for me really - if I think they're just a bit of an idiot (like Morrissey) then its no issue, but if I believe they're responsible for more sinister things then it becomes much harder.

To some extent, this may also be cultural.
Americans tend to have a very strong tendency to project upon their heroes and leaders - including musical stars - an almost saintly aura and need to believe that these people are innocent, good and pure as the wind driven snow.
Any allegation or proof of any character failings of any sort whatsoever will be met with utter shock and repulsion. Followed by a witch hunt.
Europeans are more likely to understand from the get-go that musicians, athletes, politicians and similar celebrity types are human and humans aren't flawless.

A musician might just have done something heinous while not under the influence.

I don't see this posted anywhere.
As I Lay Dying singer Tim Lambesis arrested in murder-for-hire plot - CBS News
If anyone is a fan of the band, does the news change your opinion?

No, As I Lay Dying still sucks.

No I'm afraid ballads were only invented to seem more sensitive and get more groupies without looking like a douche.

I think a reasonably perceptive fan can tell a John Mayer from a Richard Marx. A guy with a conflicted attitude toward with women - hello, Bryan Adams - is harder to spot.

Who's your favourite Beatle, sopsych?

:laughing: That's hilarious. Especially because they are one of those Christian metalcore bands that were so prevalent back when metalcore was popular.



What the hell? I honestly tried to figure out what this means for a couple minutes. Still no idea.

x2 :laughing:

:laughing:

And all this time I thought one of the hardest things in the world to understand was income taxes.

It made perfect sense to me

google anyone?

John Mayer writes ballads to get women into bed with him. Richard Marx writes love songs because he's really in love (or is crafting a fictional story based on feelings he relates to). Richard Marx probably would write some of those ballads even if he weren't going to share with someone who isn't already special to him, whereas Mayer probably only writes ballads for external rewards. Even if someone didn't know of John Mayer's famous relationships, reading his lyrics shows a lot of linking sex with love, which raises questions about character, in my opinion.

Oh, I see. I guess. I'm not entirely convinced that Marx didn't just do the same thing in a different / less obvious style.

Google told you that Richard Marx writes love ballads because he's really in love?

Richard Marx writes love songs because he's really in love with John Mayer.

I googled that and, sure enough, it's true. Also, it turns out that John Mayer only wants Richard Marx for sex :(

That bastard! And I heard he only wants Karl Marx for his beard!

Maybe he did. But between the absence of any evidence of that and my read on his personality, I'm very doubtful. If he were to be discovered as secretly sleazy, then my opinion of his music would go downhill.

Now what does the Beatles question have to do with this subject? I could guess it's about their love lives.

Richard Marx writes love songs because he's really in love with his bank balance! :laughing:

No i don't care about their political beliefs or if they are racist or that chris brown hit rihanna. Well i guess i do care but not enough to not listen to their music. Kinda the same thing with chik fil a and the stupid anti gay thing. i give chik fil a money because i support their chicken and i stream music because i support the music artists make.