Music Banter - VMAs 2013

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well i think realtalk is right. we wont remember JTs videos years from now. I will always remember britney's tho. what teen boy at that time wouldnt remember that jailbait donk

and i assumed it was given out every vma. so im wrong on that.

vmas are pretty much all a promotional tool. i remember the yr nicki mina was starting to get big they just kept interviewing other ppl on her label about this up and coming star named nicki minaj

Go easy on the picture posts, this isn't the lounge.

I must have missed the part of Jt's career that was so profound that it deserved an MJ comparison, lol at mtv.

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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1362378)

I couldn't disagree more, but that discussion should happen in a different thread. I firmly believe anyone who thinks Madonna is overrated hasn't listened to her albums Ray of Light or Music from top to bottom. :) Have you?

I didn't get to watch the VMAs (Turkey...time difference...blah blah blah)...and my computer is too stupid to function on the MTV website for some reason. Does anybody know a place where I could watch the whole show?

Also, from the vids I've seen so far, all I can say is the N*SYNC "reunion" was WAY too short. I don't know who's idea that was but they ****ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Ray of Light is my favorite album by her, I used to listen to it when I was younger! :]

ugh I know I said I wouldn't respond to you again but I have to go against that to include some things that you don't get. :usehead:

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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1362498)

I am talking about the MAIN MTV channel which is what their award show is promoting. They are not promoting those indie artists on those specific channels that you can only get at certain universities or cable packages. Those are not "universal" MTV channels. This conversation is on the main universal MTV channel.

MTV took off their music television channel label last year. They dont want to be a music channel. They are not a music channel anymore (which they made perfectly clear over the last decade).They might occassionally play music videos but that is not something they are heavily promoting so I think having a music award show is unnessary. I think a more appropiate award show for MTV should focus more on reality tv shows since that is what they mostly promote.

Even though they still do play music videos. I sort of agree with you on this.

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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1362498)

MJ Vanguard Award is actually a Lifetime Achievement Award and they changed the name of the award to the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award in 91... Her nor Justin deserve a lifetime acheivement award at this point in their careers and they have not made groundbreaking music videos on the same level of the past recipients.

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The Video Vanguard Award, also known as the Lifetime Achievement Award, is given to musicians who have made a profound effect on the MTV culture. The award was renamed in 1991 as the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award from then on. The award is also given to music video directors who have created some of the most popular and acclaimed music videos in MTV history.

Just because Michael Jackson's name is on it doesn't mean that people who receive the award have to live up to his standards. It is an award that's given to the most popular and acclaimed music videos in MTV history. Says it right there on the wikipedia page. That's fine if you want to discredit all the videos that the Princess of Pop Britney Spears has put out and also all the music videos that Justin Timberlake has put out through his solo career AND with N'Sync but MTV recognizes it even if you choose to ignore all of their videos as insignificant. People that grew up with those videos and actually LIKED them will remember them 50 years from now regardless of what you think.

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Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1362527)

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Well thought out response. I'll consider this a win for Timberlake.

I think it explained his response perfectly! I can imagine you saying, perhaps, that JT is good enough to receive the award, but not bashing anything that MJ has done! His stuff had a story and a progression, you don't get that too often these days. And if you do, they aren't as throught-out as his. Yeah he was screaming in a warehouse or garage or whatever but the dancing was always perfect. JT dances, but he doesn't always meet ALL the points MJ's videos did.

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark (Post 1362703)

My point in all of that is the videos have not aged well. I appreciate MJ'S output and I lived the Jackson Five. I bought Off The Wall the day it came out on tape. I bought Thriller the day it came out. I enjoyed all the videos at that point but they lack something now besides thriller which is still pretty classic. I think there are alot more similarities in what both do then not. JT is obviously good enough to receive the award, its in a box in his garage as we speak. I'm just pointing out that if you go through both discographys and break down their videos there isn't much difference in the big picture. JT is every bit as popular as MJ was at his peak and also every bit as talented. I'd even venture to say that Justins choreography is at a higher level now. Dancing has progressed as much as anything.

I respectfully disagree about the aging of the videos. Obviously quality and make-up and everything is better, but it's still good now, and will always be great.

Regarding choreography, I also disagree. MJ would never have danced as poorly as JT did at the VMAs. Idk if he was uncomfortable or didn't feel like dancing, but his moves were NOT the best.