Bruno Mars also did a good job as well. One Direction won because that category was determined by fan votes.

They really need to end the award show all together lol They dont even play music videos anymore!

I feel like I should really catch up with music videos before I watch the awards. I saw the Mirror video by JT and it was cute that it was a tribute to his Grandparents but I really didn't get what was going on there, so I was surprised.

^ It was a dumb video. I still cant believe he won that MJ award, what a ****ing joke. He has not one iconic groundbreaking classic video. Who does MTV think they are foolin? Desperate for ratings I see.

Was that a vote too, though?
Or was that chosen by someone else?

MTV gave him that award because JT is the golden boy and the all mighty "white hope". He has another album coming out (Part II of the 20/20 experience) so it was a promotional tool so to speak. People dont vote on that and its determined by the producers for marketing reasons.

He said himself he didnt deserve it (which I respect him for saying). However, I dont know why someone would accept something they know they didnt deserve.

Whether you win a legend award, 35 grammys, etc it has no meaning if you dont have the catalogue and works to speak for it. Its just another statue taking up space. In 50 yrs NOBODY is not going to remember a single JT music video but they will be still looking at MJs. So that award means nothing

Damn that's upsetting. I don't remember any of his music videos either, really, so it's a pretty weird award to get.

Are there any artists now that you think deserved it more?

Yea its very upseting because its insulting to Michael Jackson who the award is named after. The award is awarded to artists who have made groundbreaking and innovative music video(s).

Personally, no artist out today has made a groundbreaking or innovative music video that I feel will be remembered years from now. We have videos that are popular "at the moment" but we dont have any memorable dinner table discussion music videos today. That particular era has passed.

Now some artists that I felt could have gotten it OVER Justin are ladies like Kelis and Janelle Monae who have far more creative music videos and story plots.


NWA, Heavy D, Public Enemy and Tupac probably should have received the award but MTV tends to ignore rap artists for this particular award.


I just dont see how you can be gone from music for almost a decade and then come back and get awarded an achievement award for groundbreaking music videos lol a bunch of bs and Jimmy Fallon had the nerve to call him the President of Pop and a legend LOL!!!!!!

I mean a legend musically is one thing, I think people will remember JT, but I don't think his music videos are groundbreaking at all.

He is not a legend and he doesnt have groundbreaking music videos.

:P Good talk.

Realtalk...

I hear you but I was not implying that Gaga is better than Madonna. I never said that. What I said was when it came to her antics, she is a lot dirtier than Madonna. Madonna did dirty **** but compare to Gaga, it looks so innocently done. THAT IS A UNDERSTATEMENT.

But RealTalk92, you got to read my previous statements because I already made it clear on one thing. I have said and will continue to say that Lady Gaga is overrated. She is not as great as her and her fans want you to believe. Lady Gaga is total BS. Lady Gaga is talented and can sing but ruins with her total stupidity.

Anyway, you can deny Gaga has no influence but she does. I mean you have many Gaga wannabes (think Jessie J or Kesha, HELLOOOOO). Sooner or later, we will not only have Gaga but Gaga Wannabes around us. That will the new reality sooner or later.

So she is original in that she is dirtier and sluttier than Madonna? Wow what a feat.

Hello look at people who are copying Lady Gaga. Think of Jessie J or Kesha. They are more but I am too lazy to list them.

Ke$ha is not copying Lady Gaga and to make such accusations shows the depth of your musical ignorance.

It is rumored that Clapton took major inspiration from Kesha on his latest solo project. The london symphony also apparently has a 10 million dollar bid in to purchase her next masterpiece.

Kesha's music might not be, but in terms of image....yes.

So much pure hate. He is a legend and he got the award/recognition not only for his solo career but also for his work with N'Sync.

If you don't remember any N'Sync videos you are a dirty liar. If you don't remember Cry Me A River. You are a dirty liar. If you don't remember Rock Your Body video. Okay I can understand that but it was a pretty fun video. If you don't remember The Sexy Back video you are again a dirty liar. The what goes around comes back around video with Scarlett Johannsen? come on now. I could go on and on.

How can Lady Gaga influenced her own generation? We both can agree that Lady Gaga copies heavily from Madonna and Madonna has influenced an entire generation herself. So in other words, those artists are probably also influenced by Madonna. I understand what you are saying but all this credit that you are giving Lady Gaga as far as influence goes really belongs to Madonna since Lady Gaga copies everything from her.

I still think Madonna was more out there than Lady Gaga. Gaga tries to be more shocking with what she wears but Madonna wrote a sex book, had multiple celebrities sexual partners (male as well as female), made shocking comments about other celebrities, herself, sexuality etc. She has did alot more shocking things. Her personality was more daring than Gaga... who is more image oriented than anything. Gagas act is way more calculated than Madonna in my opinion.

I really enjoyed his sexy back music, I used to be dancing in the clubs like him, embarrassing my friends.

I'm sorry but Madonna is over rated. I just don't see any appeal. I can also say that no one is denying that Lady Gaga is influenced by Madonna, it's a homage.

^ She is overrated but she has made a much greater impact on the pop genre than Lady Gaga which was my only arguement.
She at least wrote a few pop classics and took musical risks which I cant say for 98% of the female pop artists out now.


Are you being sarcastic?

You really need to get out of the habit of calling posters "haters" because of their opinions because its immature. I presented rational, intelligent and legitimate reasons for my opinion.


The award is for artists who have made groundbreaking and iconic music videos and he doesnt have not one in his disography.

What music video has JT created that was a game changer for the pop genre? How has he impacted the pop genre? What classics has he created? Its much more to what makes a "legend" that seems to be a word that is thrown around. He is not a legend and he did not deserve that award.


I put this on everything... I do not remember any JT music videos

I didn't call you a hater. I called your opinion full of hate it sounded so personal everything that you said in the last paragraph. None of those were facts. it just sounded like you had a vendetta against him.

You don't remember any JT music videos because you choose not to remember. You have decided that you don't like him and you feel like he's not an original artist so you choose to ignore all of his music videos that have come out over time because you feel like he's ripping off of other artists and the fact that he's having a success run.

How was it personal?

I didnt attack him as an human being or call him out his name.

Everytime I constructively criticize an artist you always say this lol I just think its immature because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I could see if I said Justin sucks and didnt offer any legitimiate intelligent reasoning for my opinion but I have.

I am a big Michael Jackson fan so I feel strongly about the award and who it is given too. I dont think he deserved the award.


So you are a mind reader now? lol How can you tell me what I can and can not remember? I dont remember any of his videos.


Ive said countless times on this site that JT makes pretty descent music and unlike his peers tries to be some what creative but no he is not original and no he is not one of my favorite artists. I dont know him personally to dislike him as a person.


I am not ignoring any of his music videos. I do not remember any of his music videos from start to finish.

I never said he ripped off anyone. I just dont think he has made groundbreaking music videos that have changed the video medium. That is what the award is about.

I wish Jay performed.

When you say things like this
and this
You don't think that's a tad bit personal and that you are attacking him?

It's not even about you constructively criticizing an artist what you say majority of the times comes off like you have a personal grudge against the artist and goes far beyond the scope of just backing up your opinion with logical reasoning. You don't flat out say the person sucks but the way you word things you might as well just come out and say you think the person sucks. You just sugar coat it. How is that real talk when you are tip toeing around it and sugar coating stuff?





You have to say it again more times and remind me because it doesn't seem like you feel that way when you say some of the stuff that you have within this thread.


Have you seen the people that have won the award after Michael Jackson? Do you think they deserve the award also?
Here is the link to it:
Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again yes I know Gaga was influenced by Madonna (most female artists in fact are). But I am speaking of today's pop music, not pop music as a whole. Madonna is just a arrogant ass who just likes to create controversy because she is just a attention whore person. However she is far more responsible than let's say her fan LADY GAGA.

You have not really been paying attention to what Gaga has been doing. I don't recall Madonna going out (not musical related) and wear almost no clothes. I also don't recall Madonna going to a baseball and wear just a bra, spandex, and underwear.

Madonna has lost touch these days. Her best years were doing the 1980s, 1990s, early and mid 2000s. Since then, Madonna is just not the same. I speaking about Gaga as of today's pop music. I am no Gaga lover but I know she is the influence of today's pop music.

As I said, there are many Lady Gaga wannabes. It is terrible. I mean Jessie J, Miley Cyrus, and Kesha to name a few. They want to act her and look like her. I mean it is so sad. I mean they are female artists and upcoming female acts that now want to emulate Gaga. It is terrible but that is what is likely to happen. I know Gaga is overrated( I have said million times). Lady Gaga has a great voice but ruins with her nonsense whorish antics. I just wonder why Gaga can once just focus on her singing.

Real Talk, understand I am speaking of Today's pop music not pop music genre of all years. OK.

I'd say JT is very similar to Jackson in alot of ways. He has a great vocal range, he always choreographs great dance routines. He has number one hits and has a number of great videos. DJ already mentioned some but you've disregarded them for some reason. The only iconic MJ video I can really think of is Thriller. Billy Jean was just him dancing around on lit up tile. Beat it was him screaming in a warehouse and having a knife fight in an alley. What really has MJ done that JT hasn't? I think JT is every bit the icon that MJ was. I'm not really much of a pop fan but hes a pretty dedicated and talented artist.

I liked kicking JT's (the Hustler) butt in TWPTG.

*runs away*

woop, woop , woop, woop...

I couldn't disagree more, but that discussion should happen in a different thread. I firmly believe anyone who thinks Madonna is overrated hasn't listened to her albums Ray of Light or Music from top to bottom. :) Have you?

I didn't get to watch the VMAs (Turkey...time difference...blah blah blah)...and my computer is too stupid to function on the MTV website for some reason. Does anybody know a place where I could watch the whole show?

Also, from the vids I've seen so far, all I can say is the N*SYNC "reunion" was WAY too short. I don't know who's idea that was but they ****ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Typical award show that can't give out awards properly. I will always like things like this explained to me:
Video of the Year: Justin Timberlake - Mirrors
Best Male Video: Bruno Mars — Locked Out Of Heaven
Best Pop Video: Selena Gomez - Come & Get It

How does that make sense? Justin Timberlake was nominated in all three categories with his video Mirrors.

That wasnt a good example.
How is that attacking him as a "human being"?
How is that attacking his "character"?

I am specificially speaking about his "music videos"which havent made a significant impact on pop culture.

The second opinion has nothing to do with Justin specifically and more to do with the industry's idealogies around the face of the R&B genre. This has been going on since the beginning of time. It makes no sense how this white man can go away fro seven years and mimic R&B music that has always beenin existence but for some reason when he does it is presented as something "innovative". There are much better R&B African American singers/artists that make much more authentic R&B music.

No I am not attacking him because my criticism is specifically on his music videos and the way the media/industry promotes him. All those things has nothing to do with him as a "person" which is why I dont understand why you think I am "attacking" him. Giving critique/criticism and attacking are two different things. What you did to Michael Jackson in that MJ thread was "attacking". You were attacking his "character" and judging who he was as a person. That is "attacking".


Can you elaborate? Because looking at all your posts you seem to have a issue with anybody constructively criticising anything. In that Jay Z thread, I explained to you that I am very opinionated when it comes to music. Sometimes you make it appear as though your opinion is more superior than others. This is my opinion and you can overanalyze or misinterpret it anyway you want lol

Do you like to argue with people for the sake of it? lol

Because I think I have been pretty straightforward and direct with all my opinion on this site.

I flat out said from the get go that MTV should stop making their award shows because they dont even play music or music videos. I flat out said all the pop artists now for the most part are crap. I flat out said JT did not deserve that award because he has not made any groundbreaking music videos.

So I guess I am trying to figure out what more you want me to say and why you think I am sugarcoating my opinion??? lol You can search back and look at this entire thread. I have said the same things and have been pretty clear and direct with how I feel.


In the JT thread, I said that his latest album was the same ol music he has been making since his debut but I also said that he at least tries to be creative with his music. He has some songs that I like and he makes descent music but I wouldnt call it groundbreaking either. Also, there are way better R&B artists but thats beside the point.


Yes I have seen it and I dont think Brittany Spears deserved it either.

If that's how you choose to interpret my posts then so be it but that's not the case at all.
People always like to throw this out there but mtv DOES show music videos and has music-related shows. They just aren't in the primetime like they used to be. They still play music videos though. If you are up late night over night you will see them and also in the mornings. There are also different MTV channels dedicated to just playing music videos but only if you have the cable packages that offer those channels. There is MTV Jams, there is an MTV channel that colleges get. I can't remember the name of it they always play music that college kids like usually indie stuff. There is an MTV channel dedicated to playing music for hispanic people. MTV Trios or something along those lines. There are a variety of channels related to MTV playing music videos. You and other people that spout that silly line just don't care about MTV or else they would KNOW this!





Wow really are you serious? I think I'm done talking to you in this thread after this comment. lol

I have absolutely heard all of Ray of Light. I just don't relate to her and her music doesn't get me excited. I always see people going on about her all the time like she's a God or something.

Here ya go Miss P!

Likewise with how you misinterpret my constructive criticism




I am talking about the MAIN MTV channel which is what their award show is promoting. They are not promoting those indie artists on those specific channels that you can only get at certain universities or cable packages. Those are not "universal" MTV channels. This conversation is on the main universal MTV channel.

MTV took off their music television channel label last year. They dont want to be a music channel. They are not a music channel anymore (which they made perfectly clear over the last decade).They might occassionally play music videos but that is not something they are heavily promoting so I think having a music award show is unnessary. I think a more appropiate award show for MTV should focus more on reality tv shows since that is what they mostly promote.



You think Brittany Spears has made groundbreaking videos on the same level of Michael Jackson and Madonna???

Yea we are done...lol

MJ Vanguard Award is actually a Lifetime Achievement Award and they changed the name of the award to the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award in 91... Her nor Justin deserve a lifetime acheivement award at this point in their careers and they have not made groundbreaking music videos on the same level of the past recipients.

well of course nobody gonna compare to the king of pop


like michael jordan in bball. he is the messiah. no matter what accomplishments other have its the fact he represents a specific time period musically, culturally, socially, etc. it would be impossible for any basketball player to have the impact jordan had. it just wouldnt be possible.

same with mike jackson. so realtalk u want them to give the award to nobody forever?? its cool if u do ust askin

^^^ I did not imply that at all. There are other people who have won the award besides Michael Jackson like Janet Jackson, Madonna, Beatles etc With that being said, I dont think they should just give the award to just "anybody". I think their should be some type of artistic merit behind it since it is such a prestigious award.

So you saying that they should just give the award to anybody??? I think its insulting to all those other artists that really tried to push the music video medium and actually did more iconic things with it.


My question to you is how can you determine if the artists of TODAY are influenced by Lady Gaga??? For all you know they can be influenced by Madonna. I highly doubt that Lady Gaga is influencing her own peers being everything that she is doing has already been done.




Your arguement is centered around the "clothes" that Gaga wears and I think that Madonna was more shocking in alot of other aspects besides "image".You say that Gaga was more shocking but you just keep bringing up the clothes she wears which is just one area compared to the many areas Madonna was more controversial in.




I disagree. How is she the influence in todays pop music? Yea she is a big pop star today but I dont understand what you are trying to say with this comment.


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I disagree but if that is your opinion, I can respect it. Singers have been using shock value to sell there brand for decades. It didnt stop with Madonna. I think its not good rational thinking to give all that credit to Gaga since she copies Madonna. To be honest, I think they all are influenced by Madonna and "what sells" but thats my opinion

umm i dunno i dont really care about the award or even knew it existed til this thread but you have to give ti to someone every yr right???

^They dont give the award out every year....

I think the award is currently used as a "promotional" tool.