Breaking News! Trollheart listens to jazz and....
 

... really quite likes it! Well, the album I'm listening to is


is


is


this

http://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/up...nd_of_blue.jpg

Am I reaching for the stars too soon?

Either way I think there's only one word to describe this so far and that is

Cool

with a capital coo!

Where do you jazzheads suggest I go next? No I did NOT mean that! I meant, what album/artiste should I investigate if this is the sort of jazz I may actually enjoy?

How about Hot Rats by Zappa?

Not necessarily similar but...

Albert Ayler Trio - Spiritual Unity

Actually, go with something closer to Bitches Brew first.

More Miles.

Actually sorry it's "Kind of blue". Wrong image. Will update. Really enjoying it though.

Edit: changed now

Yes but what? The guy's got about twenty thousand albums! What should I go for next?

Also, sorry about your problems with your brother BD: didn't get a chance to say in the thread. Hope you get it all sorted.

Uhhh ... Anyone who doesn't like these is, well, borderline insane.



Really cool way of watching Giant Steps.

And don't forget this. :D

Mile's is great. I watched a documentary of him recently, I enjoyed the interviews with Santana.

Jazz-wise, I'm a fan of the Glenn Miller big band sound.

Miles Davis :D Great choice, Trollheart. I'd agree with Burning Down: More Miles.
Concha Buika (Latin Jazz) and Jamie Cullum (Jazz-pop) maybe artists whose albums you might find enjoyable.

Yay Trollheart! I'm so happy to hear that!

My recommendation would be Blues & Roots by Charles Mingus. It doesn't sound much like Kind of Blue but it's an album I really enjoy. It's very bluesy, which I think you'd enjoy, and course it was made by one of the most legendary composers/musicians in all of jazz so it's well worth a listen.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ots_mingus.jpg


Also, you might be interested in A Love Supreme by John Coltrane. It's a great album that's more in the direction of Kind of Blue. In fact Coltrane was in Miles' band on Kind of Blue.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ve_Supreme.jpg

Oh no no no! I bloody hate big band music (though I can listen to "In the mood" and "Moonlight serenade" but that's about it)
I'll consider checking those out
Thanks Jansz. I'll hop on those right away! :thumb:

Bitches Brew. Also, I suggest Charles Mingus The Clown. That's one of my favourites.

And thanks.

I'm curious what are the reasons behind this hate for big band music and does it translate over to orchestra as well.

You can't go wrong with Coltrane.
Here's a sampling of some of my favorite jazz bands/performers I thought I'd mention...


Ginger Baker Trio (with Charlie Haden, Bill Frisell) - Frankfurt, Germany, 1995-09-29 - YouTube


Medeski, Martin & Wood - Prague 2013 HD FULL SHOW - YouTube


John Coltrane My Favorite Things (1961) [Full album] - YouTube


Luis Gasca Street Dude - YouTube


Thelonious Monk-Well, You Needn't - YouTube


Pharoah Sanders - Shukuru - YouTube


Sun Ra Arkestra - Face the Music / Space is the Place - YouTube


Charles Mingus - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat - YouTube


Hugh Masekela - Coal Train Live - YouTube


The Art Ensemble Of Chicago - YouTube

Lots of great suggestions all around guys. And TH, when your ready to jump into 70's-to-modern jazz fusion, you know who to call. :afro:

A few early recommendations though:

Return To Forever - Where Have I Known You Before
Ain Soph - A Story Of Mysterious Forest
Soft Machine - Third
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Apocalypse
Dimension - Fourth Dimension

Glad to see you've come around, TH. In addition to the albums recommended already, I'll add
Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
Miles Davis Quintet - Cookin' With the Miles Davis Quintet
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Sun Ra - Jazz In Silhouette
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch!
John Coltrane - Giant Steps

No I love orchestral music. I think it's probably all the brass in big band: I just don't like too much brass. And the fact that it's all linked with the forties and so on. I don't like the forties. Meh who knows? I just don't enjoy big band music, especially when they bloody start singing! Urgh!

Also, I don't have to actually have a reason to hate a certain genre: we're not all built the same, as I've said before. Some music just does not speak to me. That's just the way it is. I don't like hip-hop, don't like punk, don't like much dance music if any and now I don't like big band. There are probably reasons for all of these but I don't really feel I need to be explaining myself, do I?

No you don't have to explain yourself but I was just curious and seeing as this is a music forum I thought I would discuss it with you if you didn't mind.

Better watch out for Janszoon, he'll crucify you for saying something like that.

Jansz is my man. We have an understanding...

So he picks and chooses who he picks on in nearly identical scenarios?

Jansz has never picked on me; quite the reverse. He's always helpful, cheerful and understanding. I don't know anyone here who has ever had a problem with him. Maybe it's just you?

I'm just saying that I made a similar statement once and he publicly called me out on it on multiple occasions, while I assume you'll get away with it scot free. I guess that's just the social hierarchy here, aka it's acceptable for Trollheart to make sweeping generalizations about a time period/genre but not for anyone else.

I tried to have a friendly conversation about music with you on two occasions, no "crucifixion" involved. I've had numerous similar conversations with Trollheart as well and he's perfectly happy talking about music.

So, uh, back to jazz.



Wayne Shorter is probably my favorite saxophonist and definitely my favorite jazz composer. I highly recommend all of his classic blue note albums (As well as his most recent release, without a net)

I play guitar, so I'm obviously going to have some favorite jazz guitarists:



The album that this is off of certainly lives up to its name.



These three guys are the kings of Hard Bop guitar.



As some of you might now, Tyner was the pianist for the legendary coltrane quartet. I love his sweeping, heavily spiritual style. And yes, he can carry albums on his own.



Speaking of piano, Michel Camilo is a more modern pianist who is phenomenal at making his piano sound like an orchestra. Highly recommended.

Speaking of modern,

This is guy I recently discovered. Some pretty fantastic modern post-bop. I really need to check out his newest release.


Some great modern Third Stream. This album won a well-deserved grammy.

I'll cut myself off here.

I've never seen Jans purposely picking on anyone.

Trollheart knows a lot about music, he doesn't have to like everything.

I think you just need to get to know people better and you will find that they are not out to get you.

Bit of an underground gem for ya.... only underground because this soundtrack is the only ****in place I've ever heard of the dude. If anyone else can find more music by him, love to hear it.

The thing about jazz is that I didn't "get away scot free" --- everyone from Janzs to Engine sort of rolled their eyes and said how can you not like ANY jazz? I saw their point and began giving it a chance. But nobody slapped me down about it: everyone said things like "You should try this" or "Have you never listened to that?" It was all helpful in a manner intended to help me re-evaluate my tastes and see if I could get into it.

I'm quite sure that if I had said "No, I can't hack jazz no matter what" people would be surprised/disappointed but nobody would like call me an idiot or say I had no taste. They know the relatively wide variety (not wide compared to some but wider or as wide compared to others) of music I'm into and that it's not that I have a closed mind musically. Just some music does not do it for me. I've recently also hit up an emo album and it was okay but didn't change my mind about margarine, for those old or Irish enough to get that phrase. But I may give it more of a chance.

I honestly don't know what you said to Jansz but I suspect it may be how you say/said it, as sometimes you do come off a little abrasive and arrogant, which surprises me as our conversations have always been civil and enjoyable. I'm not that happy with your intimation that I get treated differently because I've been here longer: to some extent that is true; after all, you get to know people and how to relate to them after a while. Someone just joining might think Urban was a horrible person (he is) ;) or that butthead was an idiot on first contact, but as you get to know everyone you can see where they're coming from. So I get what you're saying but I do not believe I get treated specially or differently JUST BECAUSE I've been here a long time. I believe that happens because people know me, know what sort of person I am and how to relate to me.

That's like the 3rd time in the past couple of weeks you've used me as an example in this context. Do you think I look like this?
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...astardly-1.jpg



Oh and I'll say it again...

http://www.beefheart.com/wp-content/...09/hotrats.jpg

**** the cheerleader drama, all about the music :ar_15s:
Great album

My favorite Miles Davis album (easily) is Sketches of Spain, but I really like In a Silent Way too.

Hey man, the people want what the people want... :rofl:
Actually I think your rep is more this
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Um, no. I heard some Zappa in one of Rezz's mixes and bloody hated it. Throw it on the "Captain Beefheart reject" pile...

I'll add them to the list. Thanks!

Which zappa?

Something like "Here come the dream police?"... dunno I just thought it was awful.

It was probably 'here come the brain police'. The thing about Frank Zappa is that he doesn't give a **** about his lyrics, never has. He's a composer through and through, and to him, the human voice is just another instrument so it doesn't matter what the hell it's saying. I think that's awesome, but this can turn people off sometimes.

Another thing a lot of people don't dig is his common use of lulls in the music for conversational segments. There's a loooooottt of general conversation sort of **** in his music, where it's just him talking and music playing. I know a lot of people can't stand it.

Here's some tracks of his I think you might dig though:

Who are the Brain Police? is a one of Zappa's zanier tracks. Zappas discography has a lot range, and Hot Rats is a different animal from Freak Out! which is the album with that track. Hell, there are few tracks on Freak Out! that are entirely similar to that song, as it jumps all over the place. Hot Rats is instrumental jazz fusion (save for some vocals on Willie the Pimp) and is nowhere near as experimental as the track you've hard. Give Hot Rats a listen, Urban isn't trying to hurt you this time.

If you had heard this album by Devin Townsend as your first, would you consider pursuing the rest of his discography?


Hearing that you probably wouldn't expect an Epicloud or any Strapping Young Lad material in his back catalog. Artists have the potential to be dynamic, and it's a bad idea to write off the artist as a whole because of one album (or even worse, just a track) by them that you disliked, especially with someone like Zappa. Give Carpe Mortem's videos a preview and you might be surprised that they sound nothing like Who Are the Brain Police?

If you follow up on all the suggestions you`re getting, you`re going to overdose so completely you`ll never listen to another jazz record again, TH.
inb4 that happens, I`d x2 Anteater`s recommendation:-

Anything labelled jazz-fusion should be half-way to rock anyway, which you might find more palatable. I`m afraid that includes Hot Rats, btw - but also albums like this, which I discovered through MB:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...-1976-a-3.html

Jazz-funk is also very accessible because all the noodley bits are built up on top of difficult-to-lose rhythms. Herbie Hancock`s Thrust and Headhunters albums are good examples of the style.

And here`s a little taste of a personal favourite. Who knew that for all these millenia birds have been singing jazz to us?

You guys have got to give me a chance! I'm just barely edging, slowly and with very quiet and careful footsteps in case they hear me and turn their big horns (oooeeerr!) on me, into the territory known as jazzland. I'm in no way ready for jazz fusion, proto-jazz, experimental jazz, smooth jazz or anything else. Gotta crawl afore I can walk, y'know.

Also, I have this Panopticon album to listen to and still 90-odd out of the 100 best Prog albums of 2013, not to mention another six or seven series for the Couch Potato and three major series for the Playlist. And after that I may end up getting busy!

Baby steps, baby steps....