Was that Beyonce album any good?
 

Ya know, that one that got rave reviews and stuff towards the end of last year. That one I only heard about last week. That one with that has some song on it about doing something weird and probably dangerous with a surfboard.

EDIT: I put this in general because I think albums like the one I'm asking about kinda tend to be so obscure and confused in their influences that they end up sidestepping genre. Don't even really qualify as pop, given poor charting of the singles.

It was okay at best.

The album got rave reviews because of the way her team released it not because of the quality of the album.


What I think is funny about the whole thing is, David Bowie released his entire album last year without telling anybody either and he was the FIRST to do it and no one said nothing about that. There was no hype or PR around it.

David Bowie did not need a PR tactic to fool people into buying his album because his music speaks for itself.

Her latest album is just like the rest of her albums, bland, mediocre and boring. The reason why her team dump her entire album all at once is because none of the singles were strong enough as leading singles. Great marketing ploy.... but crap album.

You would think an artist of her status would have grown artistically by now but she is stuck in a bubble. She cares about being a brand more so than growing as an artist which is why I have never considered her an "artist" and more so just "a brand"

Her music is fast food. People eat it up once it is out but it is easily forgotten.

That Drunk in Love song that plays on the radio is VERY disrespectful towards Tina Turner. Its sad that children listen to it and think it is "cool" for a man to hit on a woman. :/ Not only that it is just an awful song.

Female artists like Janelle Monae, Kelis, etc are more talented and more interesting.

David Bowie was absolutely not the first to do such a thing.

David Bowie was the first to do it that year and then a lot of others followed afterward Jay Z, etc because they saw the success he garnered for doing it.


But he did not get the respect and props Beyonce did for doing it.


He didn't leak prior singles like Beyonce did to test the success of the singles.

When those two singles her team leaked over the summer received negative feedback, Her team came up with the idea to copy David Bowie and release everything all at once with flashy videos. The PR tactic was you had to buy the album before you actually listened to it lol

He released everything all at once without leaking anything.

Bowie has always been a trend setter..

But i can't believe you are comparing Bowie with Beyonce, ofc it worked for Bowie, it's f*ckin Bowie! he and Beyonce are not artist of the same caliber,

I don't think the comparison between the 2 is fair.

That doesn't even make sense. An album got rave reviews over how it was released? :crazy: You do know that reviews are actually based off of the music that are on albums right?

You may not like Beyonce because of whatever personal issues you have with her but the album was worth all the reviews that it did get.

I'm slightly offended that you put Kelis on the same level as Janelle Monae. You should be ashamed of that.

People wouldn't have spent their money on an album that was as **** as you are pretending it is. She got around 600,000 dollars worth of digital sales in three days.

XO, Pretty Hurts, Drunk In Love, Partition and Flawless are all single worthy tracks. Only three out of the five I have named have been singles so far but I'm sure she'll probably make the track with Drake be a single even though it's not the best song imo.

You should definitely give it a try and see how you feel about it. She mixes a lot of different sub genres on the album. Some retro soul, alternative R&B, synth pop, it is a bit all over.

no. its not good at all. Not even drunk in love was good

I have no idea what you're trying to say here but if you're implying that Bowie released nothing before The Next Day came out you'd be wrong.

Where Are We Now? was released in December 2012 & The Stars (Are Out Tonight) was released in Feburary 2013 as singles before The Next Day was released in March 2013.

That is not the reason why I brought him up.

I was making a point.

I know David Bowie is a trendsetter but tell the media that because as far as they know Beyonce was the first to drop her album without telling anyone.

Bowie was the first to release his album online without telling anyone.

I would NEVER compare artistically an artist like Bowie to Beyonce.

I brought up Bowie because he was the first last year to drop his album online without telling anybody despite what the media said about Beyonce being the first.

He did not get nearly as much acclaim and credit as Beyonce when he did it and he did it before her.

Beyonce didn't release any singles at all before her album dropped though and Bowie did so still a bad comparison.

Bowie gets far more critical acclaim than Beyoncé anyway so it's kind of pointless.

Which album did you prefer RT?

Beyonce's team did leak two singles last summer.



She leaked Bow Down B%$^& and it received negative reviews. She renamed it "Flawless" on her new album because of the negative feedback she received from the original title of the song.

This was all over the news, couldn't miss it. They were playing the song on the radio to.



They also leaked Grown Woman which also appeared in her Pepsi Ad commercial. She also showcased the song on her tour.



They purposely leaked those songs to see the public reaction. When her team realized those singles were not strong to stand alone by themselves they copied David Bowies idea.

Bowie dropped his album without any promotion and without telling anybody. He did not leak any of his songs before he did that.

Gonna go ahead and re-quote Urban's post because I guess you didn't see it or chose to ignore it but that's not even remotely true.

You honestly believe all music reviews are strictly based on the music and NOTHING else?


I don't have any personal issues with her because I don't know her personally.

I just think she is outrageously overrated and makes bland music.


Actually the album is not.

I listened to the entire album and the album is not a 9/10 or 5/5 stars like all the critics were giving that album.


Rihanna and Lady Gaga make the same type of music and have the same type of lyrics but they get poor reviews while they gave that Beyonce album 5/5 stars for the same music they make?


They gave her those ratings because it was alot of hype around the way she released it not because it was such a innovative album.



I did not place her on the same level as Janelle. I said female artists like Janelle and Kelis are more talented and more interesting... and they are.

Kelis has a great discography and her new album is fire.


She does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself.

You obviously have not listened to her entire discography or watched her videos.


Do you understand how marketing works?

Her team dropped that album with flashy videos attached to the songs during Christmas time. She did it after Lady Gaga released her album, after Justin released his album, after Katy Perry released her album and so forth.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.


No one doesn't talk about that album and the sells have dropped. Who still talks about that album or the songs? It has just been what 3 1/2 months since its released and it has already been old news.


She leaked flawless over the summer and she received negative reviews. She also received negative reviews for that stupid Drunk in Love song where she disrespects Tina Turner. I would sue Jay Z and Beyonce if I was Tina Turner. Those other singles are not single worthy and I notice folks talked more about how naked she was in the videos versus the quality of the actual songs.


I did and I don't care for the album. I think she tries to hard, is shallow and follows trends. She was copying Lady Gaga and Rihanna all on this album and in the videos. At this point in her career, she should not be stripping half naked in her videos and her lyrics could be more maturer.

edit

Okay so I checked and Urban is right.


David Bowie did release those two songs as digital singles before releasing his digital album.

HOWEVER,

I still stand by my opinion.

David Bowie was the first to drop his digital album with ZERO commercial promotion or prior promotion.

David Bowie did not have ANY prior promotion before releasing those singles unlike Beyonce who had the Super Bowl, Pepsi Ad commercial, Inauguration singing showcase before she dropped her album.

It had been over decade since David Bowie released an album.

David Bowie released those singles as music videos and did not tell anyone. He also did not leak those singles to test the waters. He just went out and released those songs out of no where unlike Beyonce's team who tested the strength of her songs by leaking them before coming up with that PR tactic to release the album all at once with music videos.

David Bowie is the KANG and the first to do it. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it! lol

He deserved more props for doing it because he did not have all that commercial saturated exposure like Beyonce did and his album still was successful.

He was the first to do it

The only similarities between those artists that you listed is that you don't like any of them.

They had to listen to the album and they gave her those ratings based off of the songs on the album but keep telling yourself that it was only because of the way it was released.

You might not have put her on the same level as Janelle but to even include her in the same sentence and say some wild crap like she's more talented and interesting is so way off base but that's subjective so whatever. You can feel that way but I don't agree one bit!


Highly doubt that.

I'm not going to listen to her entire discography because Kelis isn't good like that and isn't worth my time. I've heard enough from her and I find most of her material boring.

She would have still gotten the same sales regardless of her competition.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case that the album sucked so badly and people weren't able to hear it from their friends that already bought it and it spread worth of mouth that people actually enjoyed it. Why is it that David Bowie's sales barely made 100k using the same tactic? Since you want to chalk it up to only the way it was distributed and nothing else.

That's fine no one you know in your small circle doesn't talk about it but it's still been talked about regardless of what you think.


I wasn't talking to you with that last statement. that was for the OP. The reason I say you have a personal issue with her is because you've been slagging off Beyonce for what seems like forever. Even before she released her last album. I get it you don't like her, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or Jay-Z. Why shouldn't she be proud of her body? Stripping naked isn't something to be ashamed of. It sounds like you are slut shaming her and she's in a monogamous relationship with a child of her own.

No I was making a point.


Why is it okay for Beyonce to act like a slut in her videos but Miley Cyrus , Lady Gaga and Rihanna get bashed for it?

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make fun of Tina Turner's abusive marriage to Ike Turner

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make a song called Bow Down B#$%hes

But Rihanna and Lady Gaga are constantly dragged by the media and their distractions when they make similar songs and do similar things in their videos?

I am not a fan of any of them but I do notice that there is a unfair double standard when it comes to Beyonce. Just because I am not a fan of theres does not mean I can not acknowledge that some of their criticism is unfair when there are other artists that do the same thing that dont get criticized.


I am not telling myself anything. I saw a few reviews that gave it a 6/10 and they said that the album sounds like the music that is already out on the radio and nothing new.

Why is it so impossible for you to consider that the hype generated by the way she released the album also played a role in how the critics rated it?


You are not being objective in this discussion because you are not taking into consideration that SOME critics rate songs and albums NOT just on the quality of the material.



Kelis is more interesting to me because she actually has "personality" not just off stage but in her performances and in her music. She switches up her style and her genre as well. She does not follow trends or cares about chasing the charts. She is artistic, takes risk and is creative in her music, stage performances and music videos. She is fly. She covers a wide range of subject matter, writes her own music and plays instruments.

Check out this cool song from her upcoming album.
I think this song is better than anything Beyonce has ever released.






Highly doubt that.


What songs besides Milkshake have you heard DJ? lol



Then why didn't she released her album when JT, Lady Gaga, Rihanna etc released there's if she would have gotten the same sells?

Her team is not stupid.

I don't even like JT but he still sold way more than she did and didn't have to do a silly PR tactic to get quick sells.





I didn't mention sells not one time when I brought up David Bowie. David Bowie received acclaim for the QUALITY of his music, not for the sells. People were surprised because he had not released an album in 10 years. This man did not have the kind of commercial promotion Beyonce had. She had a tour, the Superbowl, the inauguration, etc AND then she dropped her album. Bowie did not have that...

He just dropped it with NO promotion.




So are you reading my mind now? You don't know who I know or where I got the feedback that her album was not good. People talked about that album for a week and that was it. More people on the internet talked about it than people in real life. Regardless of what others think, the album simply was not that good period. That opinion comes from me actually listening to the album myself.


I don't slag her at every opportunity. lol This thread is about her album and I am just giving my opinion on it.

It is nothing wrong with being proud of your body but I find issue with a woman who calls them self a role model for young girls but then shows their ass in videos and acts like a slut knowing that most of her fans are young underage impressionable girls. You cant have it both ways. You cant say you care about children and then turn around and act like that in your videos. You cant be the slut AND the girl next door. I just think she does and says things for money doesn't really care about those young girls.

Janelle Monae is a better role model.

Yes it is very surprising that David bowie, the insanely commercially popular artist for decades, can release an album that is popular. What a trendsetter this guy, whos net worth is in the hundreds of millions, is for laying low and not even putting any song from his new album into a single commercial!! (until his album dropped but c'mon that's not the same right) Everyone should take note on how this poor labyrinth star does music business the right way. Not like that scumbag Beyoncé. Just look at how many commercials she is in! shameful if you ask me.

The only point I was making by bringing David Bowie in this discussion was to show that he was the FIRST last year to release a digital album without commercial promotion and without releasing an official release date.

I just think it is funny how he did not receive credit or acclaim for the way he released it but Beyonce gets credited as being the first when she technically is not.

Which album between Bowies and Beyonce's?

Bowie's of course.

That has more to do with the fact that Bowie isn't relevant these days. Sure, he has fans that still support him, but nothing on the same level as Beyonce's fanbase.

You are currently bashing her for it and everyone else that doesn't like Beyonce bashes her for it.

You aren't the only person to make this point and bash Beyonce for it as well. Saying that she can't have her cake and eat it to.

She gets criticized for that as well. You aren't the only person but did you even listen to that song? You missed the entire point of it and the person's speech that she sampled for that song.

There is a lot of misogyny and internalized misogyny that gets perpetuated by the media and Beyonce doesn't get any passes. She gets hit with it as well.

There isn't a double standard. You just haven't noticed all the articles that have been out criticizing Beyonce for stupid minor things instead of sticking to her music. She got criticized for the her performance during some award show recently where she was the opening act. I watched it but can't remember what is was.

You know why it's impossible for me to consider it. Critics write their reviews based off of the music. Sure they might talk about the hype but they get more detailed into their reviews and actually break down the songs. I don't know what reviews you read on a constant basis but those critics would be fired if all they did was talk about fluff like hype around a record instead of going into details about the tracks themselves.

It makes no sense for them to do that. There is nothing to take into consideration about that because it doesn't happen.



Bossy, In Public, Blindfold Me, Millionaire. I just don't care about Kelis the same way you do. I'm not interested in the output of her music. Also what instruments does she play? This is news to me. Also that song reminds me of songs that came from Beyonce's B'Day album. It's actually good though and I like the horn line. Beyonce had a horn line and live musicians on her album B'Day.



It wouldn't have mattered when she released her album. She would have destroyed Lady Gaga and Rihanna in sales regardless. JT maybe not so much but her sales would still be pretty high regardless.


You didn't mention sales but you proceeded to mention how successful he was doing the same technique of not telling the release date and just dropping it which isn't exactly NO promotion when you release singles ahead of time. Singles DO count as promotion so that argument is straight up trash.



All of this is anecdotal.

I don't have to read your mind when you already talked about it in your previous post. Would you like me to quote your own post where you stated it yourself?


You have in other threads that aren't even about her. So don't play coy now :P :laughing:

I don't agree with your opinion and your slut shaming but it's your opinion to have.

I don't think this has anything to do with fans per se.


I think this has to do with the critics and the media.

Regardless whether David Bowie is more or less relevant than Beyonce, he was the first to release a digital album without promotion.

He deserves that credit.

I think it had more to do with him being nearly 70 years old and having heart surgery rather than being any artistic statement.

I am not bashing her. I am giving constructive criticism and I have legitimate reasons for my opinion. You need to stop saying someone is bashing or someone is a hater just because they give constructive criticism.

I could see if there was no rational to my argument but there is so I am not sure why you keep insisting that I am bashing her when I am not.

Also, it does not matter what I think, I am talking about what the media says and projects and she does not nearly get as much criticism as the others.



I am not "bashing" her. I am giving constructive criticism that I think is definitly warranted.

Those lyrics were VERY disrespectful and its ashame how the is constantly played like that those lyrics are okay and mean nothing.


I have an issue with someone who thinks it is okay to make fun of an abusive relationship and if you want to say I am bashing her or calling me a hater for it... then fine, I dont care.

That is unacceptable.

If Miley, Rihanna or Lady Gaga had made lyrics like that they would have gotten dragged through the mud by the media.



No she does not. Even when she finally got some criticism for her lip singing last year, everyone was still supporting her and making excuses for her. I remember J Lo even insisted that Whitney lip singed so why couldn't Beyonce.


If Michael Jackson did not get a passed
If Madonna did not get a passed
If Janet Jackson did not get passed
If Whitney Houston did not get a passed
If Britney Spears did not get a passed

Why should Beyonce get a passed for lip singing?

People make alot of excuses for her and the media seems to fawn over her regardless if her music is crap or not. She is a media darling.


Beyonce had some pretty raunchy lyrics and music videos on her latest album and the media and critics raved about it and did not mention anything about her questionable lyrics and her more raunchier image.

Miley Cyrus does the same thing but they drag her all the time but they don't say anything about Beyonce or when she does it.

They say she is a good role model for young girls or make excuses by saying she represents "feminism"

I have a problem with that because showing your ass is not "feminism" and I don't see how singing about how it is okay to let a man hit you is being a good role model for young girls.



They were saying that her album was the best album released last year and I am sorry that is B.S. They only said that because of how she released it. Now of course I am not saying this is the case for ALL critics but some critics most definitly do go by hype, hell some even based their ratings on whether they like or dislike the artist personally and ignore the quality of their craft all together i.e. Michael Jackson. It is not right and it is not fair which is why it is silly to go by what critics think or believe. I just thought all the critics reviews on her album were laughable while other albums that were actually good quality got poor reviews.


It does happen. You are just not being open minded to the fact that it does happen. You make it seem like Beyonce gets criticized all the time and that is not true. She hardly gets criticism compared to Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus for instance.



Just like I figured, you just mention her singles and did not even list albums that you have listened to.

I don't understand this.

How can you listen to 4-5 songs and make a argument that you do not like her music or do not care for her?

Millionaire with Andre 3000 is actually a really good song.

If you do not care for her that is okay but don't say you have listened to her music when you have not.



That song sounds nothing like what Beyonce has done but if you think so... okay.


Sound Scan recently came out with her sale figures and she has sold a combined total of 15 million copies which is not really a lot for a artist of her stature. There are artists that are less known that have sold more than that. Her albums do not sell alot and I highly doubt she would have still sold well with all those artists dropping their albums at the same time which is why her team waited to release her album at the last minute.




You can release a single and still not have promotion.

He did not do the Superbowl like Beyonce did.
He did not sing at the Inauguration like Beyonce did.
He did not have world tour like Beyonce did.
He did not have Pepsi commercial and endorsements like Beyonce did
He did not leak any of his songs to test the strength of them like Beyonce did

She had PLENTY of promotion before she dropped her album like that. David Bowie did not before he dropped his singles online out of the blue.


You said I found that out through my "small circle". How do you think I am suppose to take that? That is why I asked how do you know who I went to or talked to me about the album? People talked about it for a week and that was it. No one talks about that album.



I am not playing coy. I don't criticize people for no reason. I don't just criticize people just to criticize them.


You don't have to agree because that is not why I expressed my opinion.

I am not slut shamming anybody.

It is not "okay" for someone who claims they care about the youth and young girls to show their ass in their videos and on stage BUT then turn around and call themselves a role model. I don't take someone like that seriously.

You can't have it both ways.

She added that speech in the beginning of that song AFTER she received backlash over the summer for it. She wanted to turn it around and make it about Feminism.

That is annoying how she uses a complex powerful meaningful theory as Feminism to get away with the things.

Everything is not feminism.

That song is ratchet, conceited and has nothing to feminism.

lol. How can you not understand, and what does it matter? Apples or oranges, albums or songs, DJ's listened to her material, and that makes it fine for him to present an opinion on it.

And actually, you can't even listen to an album; you can only listen to the songs on the album but whatever.

You're being ridiculous here asking for more than some of her well-known songs.

Also, he mentioned an album earlier. Clearly, he's familiar with an album.


What a thoroughly subjective statement. Are you an expert on music sales? I highly doubt you have the technical knowledge to even begin to make such a claim. Unless you can draw up some kind of factual-based comparison, this is just conjecture.

Can you provide ANY reviews from a respectable source that give a "rave" review for the reasons you describe?

I am not sure why he released his album digitally without promotion but regardless of the reasons he was the first to do it period. Jay Z, Beyonce etc were not the first.

I don't understand people who make bold statements about another artists music but have not listened to their music to make a good judgement.

It matters because a person should not be making a judgement about an artist entire discography when they have not listened to the artists entire discography.

It is not apples and oranges. He only listed her singles from various albums and did not mention albums he has listened to for himself.

Kelis is an eclectic artist. All her songs do not sound the same. She experiments with alot of different genres.

If that is his opinions thats fine.... but listening to five songs from various different albums is not a good judgement of her entire discography.


Huh?

This makes no sense.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?


He made a bold statement about her as an artist and about her entire discography. Someone who has only listened to 5 songs out of her entire discography should not make bold statements such as that when they have not listened to all of the artists music, period.



Kelis is not a mainstream artist. She only has two mainstream hits and that is Milkshake and Bossy. I am not asking him to mention unknown songs. He did not even mention albums or an album he listened to. All her albums sound completely different.

No he did not



This entire conversation is subjective.


I don't know what your problem is but I have never said I was the expert of sale figures or anything of the sort.

DJ said that Beyonce's album initial album sells would have still been the same even if JT, Katy and so forth released there album when she did hers.

I disagree with that because there is past evidence that shows that she does not sell well when other artists drop there album around the same time she does hers.

For example, in 2011 when Adele released her "21" album she out sold everyone INCLUDING Beyonce. In fact Adele's 21 album went diamond!

Beyonce does not have a diamond album and Adeles 21 album is still selling till this day

Beyonces sales figures that were recently presented by Sound Scan shows that combining all 5 of her albums she has a total of 15 million albums sold.

I think this is a very very small number of sells for someone of her status. There are artists that sell 15 million off of one album alone.



Her initial sells for her latest album was due to the way she released it not because it was such a great great album with great great music. Her sells have died down though for that album.

She is not an artist that sells a lot in terms of albums.

She is more so a "singles" artist similar to Rihanna but Rihanna sells more singles.


A review is not going to say..." This is the best album of 2013 because of the way she released it" but I know that is why she got all those good reviews because the album sucks quality wise. When I have some time I will find some reviews.

Constructive criticism? Really? Just calling her music boring is constructive criticism in your books? I'm not saying you have to like her music but that is in no way constructive criticism.

You are doing the same thing that you do in arguments about artists not getting enough credit. You bring up the media and it's always based off of your perspective of what the media says. There is no way in hell that you can actually prove anything. You can snatch up a few articles here and there if you want to but there is no way to prove what the overall media says because it's all different sources. You choose to not see all the hate and being dragged through the mud that she gets and make your opinion based off of that when it's not really the case.

I would ask you who this everyone was but you'd probably just fall back on your tried and true statement of the "media". I can understand her fans sticking up for her but you go above and beyond to place the blame on the media when there are people in the media that are on both sides of the coin. Regardless she didn't get this "pass" that you are referring to.


You also have a problem with telling girls to be comfortable with their bodies.
Do you also have a problem with her singing about female empowerment?
You keep denying that you are slut shaming but that's exactly what you are doing. Women aren't supposed to be proud of their bodies in your eyes. They should be covered from head to toe with dresses that drag across the floor.

She does actually by people just like you! Anything she does she gets ripped apart for. So much so that it seems like you have a personal beef with her.

You asked me for songs and I gave you songs. Now that's not enough and you want me to list off albums. I'm not going to listen to the entire discography of someone that I don't like. I don't go around saying that you have to listen to every Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Rihanna album before you make your outlandish claims that they make boring uninteresting music.
I can listen to only one song of a band/artist and say I have heard their music and make a judgement off of that.

Did you even listen to B'day? yeah....thought so. Yet you want to criticize me for not listening to all of Kelis' albums.

You can doubt that all you want but that's your personal opinion.

All she did was kept herself relevant in the public eye. She didn't perform any of her new songs at any of those events that you listed. I think you need to look up the definition of promotion. She was NOT promoting her new album.

I said your small circle because all of these claims are only based off of your perspective and it's purely subjective and anecdotal.


I thought she was such a media darling? If she was then she wouldn't have even had this backlash that you are referring to. You are also mixing up the female empowerment with feminism they aren't interchangeable.

I don't see Bey acting like a slut. Partition is about her sexual empowerment with her partner. It's not slutty to have a sexuality. Showing your ass doesn't mean you are a slut. Last time I checked, being a slut means you sleep with lots of different men. Who are these men you are speaking of her being a slut with?

STOP SLUT SHAMING!!

I agree that he's the first, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. Bowie's album sold 85,000 the first week and Beyonce's album sold 600,000+ in its first three days.

Bowie isn't being snubbed. His digital release just didn't have any impact like Beyonce's did.

What about the hundreds of thousands of bands you've never heard of releasing digital albums every day without promotion?

Yall can call it slut shaming, slut hating, slut bashing... I dont care lol

I think she acts like a slut on stage and in her videos and I think she purposely capitalizes off of it.

Side Note: I am not calling HER a slut specifically (because I do not know her personally) but yes she does act like that on stage and in her music videos.

I think that is all she obviously wants to be seen as: "sex symbol" and that is fine I just wish she would present that in a more creative way.

Any descent person with self- respect would not display their ass like that in a video or pose half naked in their video just for a quick buck. You can still sell sexuality without doing that and even if you are I just think it should be at least more artistic.

For instance, Madonna did the same thing in the 90s but it was artistic and creative. It told a story and had a overall message.


I don't see anything wrong selling sexuality but as long as it is done in a creative and artistic way.



With Beyonce, its the same old sex kitten act but its not done in a creative or artistic way. It does not tell a story or has deeper meaning behind it.

She is suppose to be an artist. She is a singer and even if she wanted to sell sex in all her music I think it should have some artistic merit behind it.

Not just her laying half naked on the floor singing "I want to be the kinda girl you like" in every single video.

Because to me what that shows is, she is simply capitalizing off a easy money making market (the sex market) in order to compensate for her bland music.


Paritian is not about sexual empowerment. I am tired of people making her silly songs deeper than what they are.

Are Rihanna sexual songs empowerment as well?

How about Miley's?

Because I am tired of this double standard with Beyonce.

I think the meaning in the song is a negative message especially for young girls and young women. It teaches girls that you have to be submissive to men and that "you should be the kinda girl they like" Really Beyonce? That is all you want to be? I just personally feel like that sends a bad message to this generation especially the females that listen to this crap and think that is what they should be.

I especially take that personally since I am apart of this generation

Young women think they should show their ass and be the kinda woman MEN want them to be in order to be valued because of silly corporate songs like this not realizing these singers do not give a damn about them and just care about money.


ONCE AGAIN, Janelle Monae is a better role model and overall better artist.

It is a shame how in order to be successful as a pop female singer you have to show your ass and sell your soul. I am glad that there are some with dignity and self-respect.

just wanna add i do agree with part of what realtalk has said despite not readin much of this thread. beyonce has always had a weird double standard. act like a sex kitten on stage but is revered for it and is 'empowering' and stuff... lol @ slut shaming

I see your point ......but he is technically being snubbed if he is not being credited as the first to do it.

Once again,

Beyonce had the Superbowl for promotion
Beyonce had a world wide tour
Beyonce had the pepsi commercials
Beyonce singed at the inauguration

So she had more commercial promotion than Bowie so naturally she initially would sell more but it does not change that he was the first.

I think his sells are more impressive being he had NO promotion AT ALL.

having singles on the radio and music videos before and album drops counts as promotion for an upcoming album whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

And you think doing the Superbowl, having a world wide tour, having pepsi commercials, singing at the inauguration isn't?

Bowie did not release an official date for his albums. He dropped those singles out of the blue. It had been 10 years since he had released an album and he was not in the public eye promoting anything.